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AirportPlanner1 20th Jul 2018 16:01

EI-BUD is right in that the operation is less necessary, especially with duplication of various routes. The ATR operation is more compelling though because fulfills a different function to anything FR/EZY would ever bring to the table and it seems to tick along nicely. It’s also a significantly more reliable part of the operation than the Embraers, in fact I’ve found that where’s there’s problems it’s mostly because of an E195 going tech and an ATR then gets sent to Glasgow or Dublin.

mik3bravo 22nd Jul 2018 07:26

Is there an issue with that E195 setup which requires supervisory probing by the IAA or CAA?

Clearly Stobart have a significant serious issue revolving around that E195 going tech with high frequency.

Are we looking at a safety issue here and does it warrant a prompt to either the IAA or CAA of the showboating performance at Stobart?

Expressflight 22nd Jul 2018 12:08


Originally Posted by mik3bravo (Post 10202901)
Is there an issue with that E195 setup which requires supervisory probing by the IAA or CAA?

Clearly Stobart have a significant serious issue revolving around that E195 going tech with high frequency.

Are we looking at a safety issue here and does it warrant a prompt to either the IAA or CAA of the showboating performance at Stobart?

I wouldn't think so.

tophat27dt 22nd Jul 2018 15:29

I see a VLM FK50 has been brought in the help ease the situation, but still the Prague flight has a 6 hour delay outbound.

Expressflight 22nd Jul 2018 15:45

When will they realise that they simply must sub in something to cover from the absent G-FBEF? And don't tell me it will be difficult to find something because I agree it will be difficult but not impossible even if expensive.

Planespeaking 22nd Jul 2018 15:52


Originally Posted by EssexMan61 (Post 10203241)
And the Cologne departure is showing on the SEN website as 5h 25m late - with the return flight cancelled. Good Lord!!

It's time Stobart Air got a grip of this instead of acting out their boardroom dramas, otherwise their reputation will be trashed.
SEN will go onwards and upwards with other carriers, but Stobart Air is looking very sad . A few years ago Flybe effectively, allegedly killed off their SEN operation, it looks like history repeating itself. Could I fly Stobart Air, or recommend it to family and friends....no no NO!

mik3bravo 22nd Jul 2018 16:55

What do you mean by Stobarts reputation will be trashed. It already is in the gutter. They've single handily destroyed what fragments of a brand name were knocking about. I've never seen such pathetic efforts to run a business and ultimately they are screwing up the public who have trusted Stobart to fly you from A to B using a trustworthy reliable and punctual flight schedule. Stobart are totally undependable, I know from my own first hand experience, steer clear of using them, you'll spend hours stuck at airports or face flights being cancelled and hours of your life that you'll never get back. Avoid Stobart.

AirportPlanner1 22nd Jul 2018 17:23

As if trying to run a three E195 operation with just two of them wasn’t bad enough, it now seems a second has gone tech and they are down to just one.

Surely JOTA have a 146 sitting around they can use. Sending two ATRs (or now an ATR and a VLM F50) to do the job of one E195 isn’t an acceptable long-term solution, although at least loads on those routes require more than a 70 seater.

DC3 Dave 22nd Jul 2018 18:33

We seem to have reached the point where even this thread's spiritual leaders are voicing concern and dismay at recent events. Why are Stobart screwing up their own airlines / airport's reputation at a time of real opportunity after such a barren period?

But fear ye not ppruners. I drove past the airport a couple of hours ago and saw something remarkable. A London bound train departing the station on a Sunday. Integrated transport? Nobody does it better. ��

tophat27dt 22nd Jul 2018 19:30


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10203317)
As if trying to run a three E195 operation with just two of them wasn’t bad enough, it now seems a second has gone tech and they are down to just one.

Surely JOTA have a 146 sitting around they can use. Sending two ATRs (or now an ATR and a VLM F50) to do the job of one E195 isn’t an acceptable long-term solution, although at least loads on those routes require more than a 70 seater.

Maybe they should buy Saab 340s. The Chateauroux services always seem on time, bless 'em.

tophat27dt 22nd Jul 2018 19:41

Does anybody know what type of technical problems these aircraft are having? Is it the engines, electrics, radio/nav, ? Whilst there are a few spare aircraft sitting around in Europe, i am not sure there are the crews to fly them.

stewyb 22nd Jul 2018 19:48

The E95's will be consigned to ACMI work for Stobart Air in the not too distant future, and not very reliable ones at that. This chaos cannot continue and the duplication of many routes by EZY and now Ryanair will negate the need to fly them!

Steviec9 22nd Jul 2018 20:01

Quote of the year from my auntie arriving on the subbed VLM F50 (she being used to and expecting a jet) “well sure it was grand enough but old?! I was next to the rear gunner” :O

TartinTon 22nd Jul 2018 20:26

The problem with the E95s is that they're old and were originally planned to be sold by Flybe by the ex-CEO and ex-ex-ex-(I think) COO who had the brilliant idea of parking them in the beautiful
salt-rich atmosphere of NQY where they happily corroded for a few years until the ex-CEO conceded that he couldn't find a buyer so better start using them.
It should come as no surprise that their technical reliability is a bit lacking despite extensive renovation by the BE lads and lasses.

PDXCWL45 22nd Jul 2018 20:40


Originally Posted by TartinTon (Post 10203460)
The problem with the E95s is that they're old and were originally planned to be sold by Flybe by the ex-CEO and ex-ex-ex-(I think) COO who had the brilliant idea of parking them in the beautiful
salt-rich atmosphere of NQY where they happily corroded for a few years until the ex-CEO conceded that he couldn't find a buyer so better start using them.
It should come as no surprise that their technical reliability is a bit lacking despite extensive renovation by the BE lads and lasses.

They are only 10 years old so not that old in years wise.

EI-BUD 22nd Jul 2018 22:10

Jota are very well committed at the moment with plenty of work for Cityjet on DUB/LCY and then HOP! In France, e.g. Pau... add to that ad hoc work. I wouldn't have thought that Jota would have anything available...

Expressflight 23rd Jul 2018 07:03

All three of the Jota pax fleet is flying today and they have been very busy of late. Also their aircraft are not an ideal replacement for the E195 at this time of year when their lower capacity would be a problem.

mikkie4 24th Jul 2018 23:02

our 4th based EZY aircraft starts work today

EssexMan61 25th Jul 2018 07:37

I make it 31 scheduled departures today - must be a record for many a year!

mik3bravo 25th Jul 2018 07:38

That is a good news story and very positive to hear EZY are building up a good hub from SEN. Will be even better when FR join the party next Spring.
(I see FR published P1 / P2 salary levels - very healthy gross earnings to be honest!)

EssexMan61 25th Jul 2018 07:50

After the good news - I see there is a negative report on the Echo website this morning - "Flybe Passengers for Southend...…". What a shame that one unreliable aircraft is letting the side down. (I am assuming the problem was due to technical issues?).

Bee Rexit 27th Jul 2018 07:57

Just been to Malta and back and yet again Southend was a joy to use. However as mentioned by tophat27dt the 5 minute drop off is a joke. As a local I dropped my wife off and parked the car at the MILS down the road, with only about 30 seconds to spare I arrived at the queue of 5 cars in front trying to exit. The first lady had obviously gone over her time and was using the call buttons to sort it out, the barriers went up and 3 cars got out so the 4th car had the same issue as by now he was overtime. I think I eventually got out 8 mins over my time, the barrier went down behind me and I watched as the next person then had to call the attendant (and a long queue had formed behind him) What a joke and surely now a full time job for someone to keep answering the barrier call button! just put it back to 15 or even 10 mins. 5 minutes is just not enough time.

DC3 Dave 27th Jul 2018 08:46

Use car park 3. 1st 15 minutes free. Don't go over that though or it's the full day rate

Expressflight 27th Jul 2018 09:39

Yes, just use Long Stay 3 (the entrance is just behind the Holiday Inn) and drop off/pick up at the passenger gate at the far end of the car park. It's only a 150m walk to/from the terminal entrance. For the pick up you can generally stop behind the Holiday Inn while waiting to enter the car park to ensure you don't go over the 15 minutes free.

LTNman 27th Jul 2018 17:09

It is inevitable that the free 5 minutes drop off will be ended probably for next year in favour of charging for all drop offs. It brings in income which is the name of the game but the question will be how much will the charge be and for how long? My guess it will be £2 for 10 or 15 minutes but it will be promoted as a lower charge than for a stay of 5 to 10 or 15 minutes.

virginblue 27th Jul 2018 17:56

Travelled through SEN this morning during the morning wave and as I had expressed some concern earlier how they would cope with 4 easyjet Airbus plus the Stobart lot, I must say that I was impressed how smoothly everything webt at security and in the gate area which did not feel too crowded.

But who on earth decided to close the Cafe for remodeling during peak season. The queues at the new Costa were awful, with just one barista working.

Bee Rexit 27th Jul 2018 18:59


Originally Posted by Expressflight (Post 10207515)
Yes, just use Long Stay 3 (the entrance is just behind the Holiday Inn) and drop off/pick up at the passenger gate at the far end of the car park. It's only a 150m walk to/from the terminal entrance. For the pick up you can generally stop behind the Holiday Inn while waiting to enter the car park to ensure you don't go over the 15 minutes free.

There are no baggage trolley bays in car park 3 (that I noticed). The airport can't bang on about how convenient things are when they aren't and it is only a small criticism, besides I had unloaded and was on my way within 5 minutes but like everyone else as soon as there is an issue at the barrier then everyone gets caught and that must happen pretty much all day, everyday!

mik3bravo 27th Jul 2018 19:10


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10207850)
It is inevitable that the free 5 minutes drop off will be ended probably for next year in favour of charging for all drop offs. It brings in income which is the name of the game but the question will be how much will the charge be and for how long? My guess it will be £2 for 10 or 15 minutes but it will be promoted as a lower charge than for a stay of 5 to 10 or 15 minutes.

Have any of you seen the craziness at the Stansted drop-off for the redeye flights?

OMG it's mental. People jumping out of cars a half mile back down the ROW of tailed back cars to drag cases over rubble soft verges and grass. It's nuts.

Please tell me SEN are not going down that stupid route. It's bonkers!

stewyb 28th Jul 2018 13:29

Do EZY operate certain routes with any weight restrictions? cheers

EssexMan61 29th Jul 2018 15:10

I was just having a look at the SEN website Departures / Arrivals for today and I see that there are two round-trips to Cologne - that would appear to be jolly good news??. On a less positive note I see that the poor old Milan Malpensa flight has been hit by delays again - this route always seems to be one of the first to lose out on punctuality!!

SENChris 29th Jul 2018 16:22


Originally Posted by EssexMan61 (Post 10209332)
I was just having a look at the SEN website Departures / Arrivals for today and I see that there are two round-trips to Cologne - that would appear to be jolly good news??.

I believe that this route is usually operated by an Embraer, and given the current difficulties with that fleet, it is instead being operated by an ATR with a smaller capacity. The fact that two flights are required to cater for the number of passengers however is presumably good news.

virginblue 29th Jul 2018 18:34

CGN has been operated regularly with an ATR72 at least since the end of May.

Could be, of course, that it had been on sale initially with an E95 and this particular day had bookings exceeding the capacity of an ATR72 before the swap from the E95 to the AT7 was filed in the CRS.

AirportPlanner1 29th Jul 2018 21:21

CGN was scheduled as an ATR on weekdays for July and August, with RNS getting the E195 normally heading to CGN. Sundays were still scheduled as an E195 to CGN as RNS operates twice daily at the weekend.

Still though, there must be more than 70 booked as has been mentioned. It looks like this was also the case for Lyon yesterday.

virginblue 29th Jul 2018 22:09


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10209566)
CGN was scheduled as an ATR on weekdays for July and August, with RNS getting the E195 normally heading to CGN. Sundays were still scheduled as an E195 to CGN as RNS operates twice daily at the weekend.

I was on a weekday SEN-CGN in early June and back then it was already an ATR72 (also the days before as I had checked that on FR24 before my flight).

SEN Observer 30th Jul 2018 10:11

A Titan 737 has arrived this morning, I assume to cover for g-fbef which I assume is still in Lisbon?

tophat27dt 30th Jul 2018 10:36

Yes it will operate two rotations today. The E195 is due back later today from the workshop.

SEN Observer 30th Jul 2018 12:15


Originally Posted by tophat27dt (Post 10209955)
Yes it will operate two rotations today. The E195 is due back later today from the workshop.

Hope they've mended it properly!!

mik3bravo 30th Jul 2018 16:27


Originally Posted by tophat27dt (Post 10209955)
Yes it will operate two rotations today. The E195 is due back later today from the workshop.

So when it comes back on base does that now mean we'll have all three back on base or do we still have one away for maintenance and if it's still away, any estimated duration before it's also back at base?

mikkie4 30th Jul 2018 20:12

figures taken from another web site...
movements 3,196 up 35%
atms 1,614
business flights 263 up 416%
passengers 144,069 up 34%
domestic passengers 13,548 up 237%
atms cancelled 34
these are the figs for june ...july should be even better

DC3 Dave 30th Jul 2018 20:58

mikke4 Have looked at the figures and I hope I cause no offence by copy and pasting them:

June 2018 figures (%ages are compared with same month last year):

Airport Movements - 3,196, Up 35.8%, highest monthly figure since before 2011.
ATMs - 1,614 Up 43%, highest monthly figure since before 2012.
ATMs Cancelled - 35 .

Business Flights - 263, Up 416%.
Passengers - 144,069, Up 34%, highest ever monthly figure.
Domestic Passengers - 13,548, Up 237%.

Individual Routes

Alicante (EZY): 9,091, down 20%.
Amsterdam (EZY): 15,225, up 12%.
Antwerp (STK): 1,359 -
Barcelona (EZY): 4, 586, down 4%.
Budapest (STK): 2,336, up 59%.
Caen (STK): 1,562 down 1%.
Cagliari (AMC): 1,775.
Catania (AMC): 2,164.
Chateauroux (IGA) - 120 Pax.
Cologne (STK): 2,889 -
Dublin (STK): 12,403, highest month on route.
Dubrovnik (STK): 1,711, up 64%.
Faro (EZY): 10,322, down 24%, lowest June figure since 2014.
Glasgow (STK): 4,581 - highest month on route.
Groningen (STK): 5,341, up 118%, highest June figure.
Ibiza (EZY): 3,735, up 9%.
Jersey (EZY): 3,596, down 10%.
Lyon (STK) -3,632, up 107%, highest month on route.
Mahon (EZY): 3,075, up 21%, highest month on route.
Malaga (EZY): 10,172, up 13%, highest month on route.
Malta (AMC & EZY): 5,711 -
Manchester (STK): 5,441 -
Milan (STK): 3,040, up 53%.
Murcia (EZY): 2,710, up 2%, highest month on route.
Palma (EZY & VOE) - 10,145, down 28%.
Paris CDG (EZY): 4,731, up 28%, highest June since starting.
Prague (STK): 5,332 - up 69%.
Rennes (STK): 3,360, down 16%.
Vienna (STK): 2,612, up 33%, highest month on route.
Zadar(STK): 1,127, up 6%.

Look at DBV and PRG. Tells me EZY aren't stupid, are they!

PS I know Alicante and Malaga tend to see-saw in regards to pax numbers. But given that EZY have pee'd me and others off by dropping their mid morning AGP flight in favour of a late afternoon departure, I am suprised to see it doing so well.


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