March traffic dropped 1% because of lather Easter to over 1.5 million passengers. Over all for first 3 months passengers up 5% (186,000 pax)

https://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at...r_Figures.aspx

With a late Easter and all the new routes, should be in for a very good April

Germanwings have decided to take FR on Cologne route and announced they will operate the service in winter twice weekly.

Bold move by Lufty, good luck to them! :ok:

2 flights a week is not competition to a daily service.

Of course it is with the amount of onward connections! Not for P2P obviously.

Germanwings have released Cologne at 3 weekly (Wed, Fri, Sun).


Meanwhile 570,000 people from the North used DUB last year up 11% and despite all the London capacity from BFS/BHD/LDY - LHR, LGW, STN are in 10 routes used.

http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-...ess_By_11.aspx

And what is your point?

Should we close all of the airports in NI?

You are aware there are some parts of NI closer to Dublin...

This mention of dub airport use by NI customers comes around each year. Can anyone explain precisely how DUB measure this?

Do all the airlines share the booking data with DAA??

It is not alarming one bit, even LHR being the most popular in fact should be expected, people from Armagh , South Down, Fermanagh and Tyrone will little DuB being as easy to reach as Belfast airports, closer or more convenient .

BFS,BHD and LDY could produce similar metrics showing passengers from Louth, Cavan, Monaghan , Leitrim Donegal and Sligo using NI airports. I would suggest this is very significant also....

Sounds to me like DAA publicity team saying that the big advertising campaign in NI is working and I'd suggest the need a broader measurement to assess success of their marketing campaign ...

No, the airlines don't share booking data - and anyway, booking data is an imperfect indication of where people are actually coming from.

The DAA conducts passenger surveys of departing passengers going through its airports, a bit like the UK CAA. One of the questions is along the lines of "what county are you coming from today?" This is where the information comes from.

The other main difference between DAA and UK CAA stats is that the latter are available to third parties while DAA keeps its stats to itself.

Cyrano,

Thanks for the info, I thought as much re the sharing of data.
Highly subjective data so. Lies, dam lies and statistics.

For those in NI who are highly alarmed by this dont be, I'd be really interested to under when the sampling was done and how many etc.

EI-BUD

Cyrano, are the daa and CAA comparable? daa runs airports, where the CAA is a regulator. You'd expect a regulator to publish statistics, but you wouldn't necessarily expect a business to disclose its market research without a reason.


For what it's worth, daa do publish some of their survey results on their website, and invite folk with a commercial interest to contact them if they want more details.

That's a fair point. You are of course absolutely right that the DAA is a commercial company and the CAA is a public regulator. At the same time, Dublin Airport is by far the biggest single gateway into or out of Ireland and the DAA is a 100% state-owned company running that airport, so it has unique insight into the travel patterns of travellers to/from Ireland, which could be useful for other Irish travel-industry stakeholders, if the DAA's shareholder wanted to take a holistic view (I know, I'm being naive ;) ).

If I wanted to start a bus service from Dublin Airport to (say) Waterford, I'd like to know how many Dublin Airport passengers were coming from there. If I wanted to offer multi-day tours to inbound German tourists, I'd like to understand their average length of stay. And, yes, if I were running (for example) Waterford Airport, I'd like to get an idea of how many passengers from Waterford are flying to London via Dublin.

DAA can entirely justifiably say that it has a commercial role and is under no obligation to help competitors. I suppose the issue I have is that no public data equivalent in detail to UK CAA data is available in Ireland (e.g. what county are the passengers from, how long are they going for, where are they connecting through?). I'd be delighted if the Central Statistics Office were conducting similar surveys and making the data available (even at a price) for the benefit of all stakeholders, and then I'd have no issue with DAA carrying out whatever private surveys they wanted to.

If the DAA do invite people with a commercial interest to contact them for more survey results, that'd be good. I confess that in a few minutes of browsing around daa.ie and dublinairport.ie, and also searching the sites for "survey", I couldn't find any reference to that, but I'm prepared to believe it may well be there somewhere.

Best regards
C.

Hi Cyrano


I've no idea how helpful they are in response to any particular query, but for what it's worth the statement I had in mind was this one:I also notice that the IAA (which I'd take it is broadly similar to the CAA) states that it doesn't supply passenger data. Their site actually still tells people that the daa would supply data on Shannon! And, indeed, CSO data on air traffic doesn't seem to include related county.

New route to London City Airport with Flybe from October!
 

Does anybody know in a month approximately how many passengers avail of the connection Donegal to London Heathrow? I.e. Flybe (LC)/ BA combination?

CityJet would take issue with your description of this as a "new route" as they have been serving it for much of the last 20 years. :cool:

Flybe's market entry may drive prices down a bit on DUB-LCY but certainly brings some unwelcome competition for one of the core routes of a newly independent CityJet.

Cyrano

I'd agree with you on this. The new investor at Cityjet will certainly not allow Flybe to steal one of their most important and long established routes from them. Cityjet did exit the route before at some stage.

Ironically, Flybe (JEA) have been on the route before in association with Aer Lingus I think it was ...

BA came at the start of the financial crash in 2008 and abandoned the route mid season. I think it will require quite a lot of cash burn to get Dublin originating passenger into the habit of Flybe or even checking Flybe for pricing. In the mean time the passenger gets to get a better deal. Clearly that wont be sustainable in the longer term...

EI-BUD

The vast majority of people on that route had their tickets booked and paid for by their companies. You can bet Flybe will be e-mailing the various hr departments to let them know they don't have to pay through the nose to cover for a thirsty RJ anymore

New Route to Cambridge from 12th May
 

Dub-Cambridge................... keep wondering why?

Desperate airport, with unspent marketing support funding left over after Darwin's rapid exit
+
Credulous airline with spare aircraft but apparently lacking anyone able to sceptically analyse rose-tinted airport "forecasts" or organise a launch at more than 2 weeks' notice
=
Recipe for commercial disaster

+1.. another money down the drain proposal, I'd give it until Sept/Oct unfortunately.

More like friday fortnight

You only have to read the quote from the CEO on the DUB apt website....utterly clueless

At a guess, Cyrano has it, but I'd speculate that WX looked at RE attempting to build a base outside London and decided to replicate the strategy out of Cambridge.

Anyone know what the estimated catchment numbers and demographics for Southend and Cambridge look like?

JAS

Here's some data on Cambridge (not yet updated to reflect the CityJet announcement). This is the airport's own marketing pitch.

They claim a potential of 115,000 passengers per year between Dublin and Cambridge.

In English what this is likely to mean is "we looked at a CAA survey and saw that there were 115,000 passengers going between Dublin and the postcodes in our catchment area."

It doesn't take account of the fact that virtually all of those are doing so via multiple daily Ryanair flights from Stansted just down the road. (Ryanair carried over 700,000 passengers between Stansted and Dublin in 2013.)

In addition, that 115,000 number seems to include the connecting possibilities to the US through Dublin (which by and large don't exist with the CityJet schedule) so the real point-to-point potential will be a LOT less.

CityJet is planning to fly 12 F50 round trips between Dublin and Cambridge every week, or about 62,000 seats a year.

This will be ugly.

(Note that I'm not suggesting there is no potential between Dublin and Cambridge. There is. But it really needs to be an Aer Lingus-branded flight offering transatlantic connections - THAT could work.)

Here, incidentally, is some catchment information for Southend.

Sorry for the aerosexual question.

I see EI-STA is back in DUB operating the summer charters. Anyone know where is was on the off season?

It had never left. It operates ski charters during winter weekends and also operates for sporting fixtures and a few flights to Iceland before the summer routes started.

I heard a story over the weekend that there are some interesting conversations between IAA, Dublin Airport, Tourism Ireland and the organisers of the Giro d'Italia. The story goes that the organisers of the event want to have helicopters follow the entire route for TV coverage, including the stage through the coastal strip of north county Dublin and on into the city. Seems ,they're not too impressed by the suggestion that allowing unfettered flying across an approach/departure for Dublin's main runway is a no-no.

JAS

WestJet
 

WestJet will now operate between 15 June and 26 October and not 5 October as was announced when they launched DUB service.

Over 1.8 million passengers in April up 13%, Year to date almost 5.9 million up 7%.


Latest News > 1.8 Million Passengers In April At Dublin Airport

In addition to Flybe service to LCY, they are overnighting a second Dash-8 and increasing SOU from 3 to 4 daily (3 on sun).

Ex DUB
06.45
12.35
15.10
20.15

Ex SOU
06.50
13.25
18.25
20.50

Welcome 'Flybe Ireland' :rolleyes:
Aer Lingus regional could have made a real go of DUB SOU route with a twice daily business orientated service with an early departure ex DUB and the feed from the US, probably not attractive now. Mind you to be fair to Flybe they have consistently defended their patch at SOU...

Good to see Flybe increasing SOU though, DUB has been a fairly strong performer for some time with them, even with EI Regional flying BOH-DUB more recently (admittedly at a far lower frequency).

When does TOM start there full summer schedule from DUB is it the same as BFS which starts on Thursday?

Varadkar's draft aviation policy does have an uplifting vision for Dublin Airport, and a firm grasp of its potential. For instancePrevious policies have tended to beat around the bush, rather than acknowledge this kind of reality.

I'm intriged, but don't know, what precisely this statment meansWhat changes might be needed to the current planning permission?

Anyone know why a TK A330 TC-JNJ was in last night and departed heading west over the Atlantic?

The Turkish A330 was bringing the soccer team to the US after their match against Ireland.