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Abolition of airport duty = FR introduces more flights/pax, EI to a lesser extent. If the duty is replaced by punitive DAA charges then FR/EI = fewer flights/pax |
But it certainly isn't contradictory to provide a general incentive, while allowing Dublin scope to increase charges, if necessary. |
Originally Posted by ayroplain
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But it certainly isn't contradictory to provide a general incentive, while allowing Dublin scope to increase charges, if necessary. Even if you were to accept this point, you would need to be sure that the authority responsible for calculating the expenses and spending the money is competent so to do. The DAA does not inspire this sort of confidence. Without going into older history even their last great project T2 was flawed. Every aviation professional I have spoken to (that includes ATC, airline captains and ground staff) say that it was built in the wrong place - all crammed into a congested corner beside the main runway - and that this point was made before it was built. (not to mention that the best they could do for passengers was seats made of cold, hard steel) That said, WRT T2, the location choices were somewhat limited. The horseshoe of existing buildings including the protected structure of the orginal/Central Terminal meant it had to either go there, or beside Hangar 6 to usilise the existing road infrastrcture. Faling that, it was on the otherside of the airfield. JAS |
Even if you were to accept this point, you would need to be sure that the authority responsible for calculating the expenses and spending the money is competent so to do I suspect the future will be quite different. But I do agree, DAA will have to demonstrate delivery. |
FR have backed down on the legal threat.
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Right, per this article, WOW air will start flying DUB - KEF 3x weekly year round.
WOW bætir viğ áfangastöğum - mbl.is |
As expected WJ confirmed increase 2015 schedule when they launched GLA>
http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=922 WestJet will also resume its highly successful service between St. John's, Newfoundland, and Dublin, Ireland, on May 1, 2015, six weeks earlier than in 2014. |
Incident at Dublin earlier this morning.
2 x Ryanair 737 clipped a tail and wing with each other. Investigation at Dublin Airport after two planes clip each other on runway |
''Two planes clip each other on the runway''
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggghhhh......it's the apron not the runway. How thick are journos? If two planes did clip each other on the actual runway it could be potentially catastrophic. Other examples ''passengers stranded on runway'', ''fuel spilled on runway'' and on and on........ Apron people APRON :ugh: |
CAR have given the go ahead to a 19% cut in charges. Not sure we have heard the end of this.....
4.2% cut per annum between 2015-19. |
September traffic up 8% with over 2 million passengers. Over 16.6 million year to date up 7%. Should reach 21.4 million at least for 2014.
http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-...September.aspx |
Ethiopia confirm Dublin 2015
Check the following link. I guess an official announcement will be made soon.
Ethiopian Airlines to Start Flights to Dublin and Los Angeles | Ethiosports |
DUB's first scheduled 787 service, at least the spotters will be happy.
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They are a dry airline though Ethiopian | Food & Beverages Free booze in Y compared to €€ on EI. I've seen people say that a few times and I've no idea where they're getting the idea from. Ethiopia is majority Christian not Muslim and in this day and age, even the modernised airlines from Muslim countries aren't dry. |
Thanks Cian. Previous comment edited. Is it due to stop here on the way back? Or will it be only stopping over westbound? I wonder if it'll effect EI's (excellent) SFO loads much
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Stopping both ways for 2h. Feeding there hub is a priority and it indicates a 7.30 am departure to LAX and 20.30 departure to Africa. This equals a 1am departure from LAX so may bot be suitable for many people and 11pm from Africa. This times were suggested on another forum and feed there hub.
It would slot in well for USPC if the 07.30 happens. |
Originally Posted by EI-A330-300
(Post 8692909)
Stopping both ways for 2h. Feeding there hub is a priority and it indicates a 7.30 am departure to LAX and 20.30 departure to Africa. This equals a 1am departure from LAX so may bot be suitable for many people and 11pm from Africa. This times were suggested on another forum and feed there hub.
It would slot in well for USPC if the 07.30 happens. |
7am, first flight at 08.55 (08.40) in 2015 so opening an hour earlier would be needed for ET which I don't see a major issue with. Then again if ET arrived at 06.30 and left at 08.30 it would probably suit stand planners much better and wouldn't require changes to USPC hours while it wouldn't effect there hub feed just an hour less (5h layover) in LAX .
Guess we will find out next week hopefully. |
DUBLIN/IALPA/DAA
Fascinating read here. IALPA's views on DAA's airfield (mis)management and future plans to close 16/34. "RED LINE: IALPA will vehemently oppose the closure of the cross runway 16/34 at Dublin"
http://www.aviationreg.ie/_fileuploa...31%20IALPA.pdf |
Originally Posted by EI-A330-300
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7am, first flight at 08.55 (08.40) in 2015 so opening an hour earlier would be needed for ET which I don't see a major issue with. Then again if ET arrived at 06.30 and left at 08.30 it would probably suit stand planners much better and wouldn't require changes to USPC hours while it wouldn't effect there hub feed just an hour less (5h layover) in LAX .
Guess we will find out next week hopefully. Ethiopian will likely not use the US CBP in Dublin, in the early stages of the route at least, because it would delay turnaround. |
Thanks Cian. Previous comment edited. Is it due to stop here on the way back? Or will it be only stopping over westbound? I wonder if it'll effect EI's (excellent) SFO loads much |
Not quite. Crews could easily do ADDIS-DUB-LAX-ADDIS Plenty of airlines send the crew only eastbound or westbound (or over the pole) to get home, e.g. ANZ1/2 via LHR to LAX, and I think the eastbound flight goes to Hong Kong?
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Bit of re-adjusting for American Airlines at DUB for Summer 2015.
CLT upgrades to A330-200. PHL remains A330-200 and ORD remains seasonal B767-300. JFK is dropped. |
JFK
Possibly AA responding to EI going 3x daily? To JFK
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Per this website, Delta is upgrading the Atlanta route to A332 in 2015.
All airlines flying from Dublin to Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta. |
AA JFK is still bookable ?
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@HANGAR 6 DUB JFK 3 times daily? Nothing in the booking engine. Any word on departure/arrival times etc.
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Not quite. Crews could easily do ADDIS-DUB-LAX-ADDIS Plenty of airlines send the crew only eastbound or westbound (or over the pole) to get home, e.g. ANZ1/2 via LHR to LAX, and I think the eastbound flight goes to Hong Kong? Very approx timings: ADD-DUB about 9 hours, DUB-LAX about 12, LAX-DUB about 11 and DUB-ADD about 8, 2 hours on the ground at DUB in each direction. So, two crews needed each way with a crew change at DUB. NZ is LHR-LAX-AKL and vice versa, also needs 2 crews withn a change at LAX. LHR-HKG-AKL and v.v. is now scrapped. |
Okay, look at it another way. All services I'm aware of between UK/IRL and US west coast have 3 flight deck crew (some might even have 4). Again in all cases I'm aware of, flight crew spend at least 2 nights on in SFO/LAX etc to recover. In these cases there are 2 crews in the same hotel, the one that just arrived, and the one that arrived yesterday. Not all these services are daily so sometimes they get more than the 2 nights depending on schedule.
If Ethiopian thought they would make more money by only stopping in DUB westbound, you can be sure they wouldn't have a problem leaving a crew for an extra night or 2 in Dublin, or swap them with one in LHR. But seeing as they are stopping both ways, it's irrelevant |
Originally Posted by Fairdealfrank
(Post 8696397)
Definitely not convinced.
Very approx timings: ADD-DUB about 9 hours, DUB-LAX about 12, LAX-DUB about 11 and DUB-ADD about 8, 2 hours on the ground at DUB in each direction. So, two crews needed each way with a crew change at DUB. NZ is LHR-LAX-AKL and vice versa, also needs 2 crews withn a change at LAX. LHR-HKG-AKL and v.v. is now scrapped. Monday: Crew 1: ADD-DUB Crew 2: DUB-LAX Crew 3: LAX-ADD Wednesday: Crew 4: ADD-DUB Crew 1: DUB-LAX Crew 2: LAX-ADD Friday: Crew 2 or 3 (or other): ADD-DUB Crew 4: DUB-LAX Crew 1: LAX-ADD and so on. |
Precisely! Far more clearly put than I managed Cyrano, thank you.
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I don't think the OP is suggesting that the same crew will fly ADD-DUB-LAX-ADD, merely that the aircraft doesn't have to stop in DUB both ways for crewing reasons. (I recognise that it is stopping both ways, so the point is academic.) Monday: Crew 1: ADD-DUB Crew 2: DUB-LAX Crew 3: LAX-ADD Wednesday: Crew 4: ADD-DUB Crew 1: DUB-LAX Crew 2: LAX-ADD Friday: Crew 2 or 3 (or other): ADD-DUB Crew 4: DUB-LAX Crew 1: LAX-ADD and so on. Maybe the B787 can do it in one go, maybe there could be 2 pairs of pilots on board (one working, one resting), but cabin crew members cannot be expected to do an 18 hour shift. So crews would be "slipped" as described above on the westbound but also on the eastbound, meaning a crew change in DUB in both directions. It would be similar to LHR-SIN-SYD/SYD-SIN-LHR on BA or AKL-LAX-LHR/LHR-LAX-AKL on NZ, or the former AI BOM-LHR-JFK/JFK-LHR-BOM. If the service is not daily, as in the above mentioned examples, then the cres are going to enjoy longer layovers, 2 in DUB and 1 in LAX and be away from home for over a week. Pleasant cities for layovers, could be lucrative in allowances, reckon many crews will like this gig. |
From someone in the know, can I just confirm, it will be a single crew operating to Dublin from Addis with a dead head crew, who will then be taken over by a new set of crew including 4 pilots operating Dublin - Lax. That crew will have 2/3 day layover in Lax, then will operate back to Dublin. Have another 2/3 day layover in Dublin then one set of crew will operate back to Addis whilst other crew members dead head back to addis. Let me clarify once again, fifth freedom has been granted and Ethiopua will be stopping in a Dublin both ways. Initially the machine will be 787 but depending on loads will be switched to B777 from time to time..
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From someone in the know, can I just confirm, it will be a single crew operating to Dublin from Addis with a dead head crew, who will then be taken over by a new set of crew including 4 pilots operating Dublin - Lax. That crew will have 2/3 day layover in Lax, then will operate back to Dublin. Have another 2/3 day layover in Dublin then one set of crew will operate back to Addis whilst other crew members dead head back to addis. Let me clarify once again, fifth freedom has been granted and Ethiopua will be stopping in a Dublin both ways. Initially the machine will be 787 but depending on loads will be switched to B777 from time to time.. |
Speculation Air China are ready to announce a 3 weekly direct service to Beijing beginning next year operated by A330.
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Lufthansa increase MUC to daily next summer. Usually operated at 3/4/5 weekly depending on the month.
Germanwings also replace CRJs with A319 on 3 of 4 weekly DUS flights. Luxair also increase flights from 4 to 6 weekly next summer. |
All very positive news and very welcome for the economy
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ET schedule includes a 1 h layover in DUB according to a post on:
Irish 10/14: The Final Quarter — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net ET504 ADD 2300 – 0530+1 DUB 0630+1 – 0930+1 LAX 788 357 ET505 LAX 2330 – 1830+1 DUB 1930+1 – 0600+2 ADD 788 146 So no US clearance for now and check in area will be cleared as it couldn't take any more if it was departing much lather. |
Does anyone know why there'd have such a long lay over at Lax?
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I really like those flight times – it allows a full day in LA on both the outbound and return flights. I'll certainly take that over the SFO run on EI...
...as for the layover, I'm guessing they are designed to sync with connections at ADD. |
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