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EI-A330-300 15th Jan 2014 15:09

Thomas Cook are to cease selling package hoildays/charter flights from 30 April. Still trading but online and to customers. Majority of passengers on charters were this party bookings.

Will be a loss but EI and fr will pick up the slack.

confused atco 15th Jan 2014 15:32


Thomas Cook are to cease selling package hoildays/charter flights from 30 April
Do you have a link?

Jack1985 15th Jan 2014 15:39

Isn't Direct Holidays part of Thomas Cook Ireland too?

EI-A330-300 15th Jan 2014 15:39

I'm using the app so can't post one but it's on Facebook/ and twitter.

Yes Direct holidays are also part of them.

LAX_LHR 15th Jan 2014 15:52

Well Im guessing that will mean the Dublin-Cancun route they good as announced at the London trade fair will not happen.

stab3.5up 15th Jan 2014 21:11

It will impact on what little sole charter traffic that operates from DUB such as QS and other oddities that were in last sunmer. A long way from all the MON flights operared for Directholidays.

SealinkBF 15th Jan 2014 21:33

Thomas Cook - official.

Thomas Cook to shut Irish charter operation

Mlinnie 17th Jan 2014 15:08

EI Toronto
 
Aer Lingus bringing forward the launch of the Dublin-Toronto route to 14th April

MCDU2 17th Jan 2014 16:33

Don't expect EI to be picking up the slack from Thomas Cook in any significant shape or form. The business plan is now heavily focussed on growing ACMI. The benefits are that its low risk and provides guaranteed revenue. Leasing new aircraft to serve additional routes would mean someone is putting their neck on the line. Should there be demand on any overlapping Thomas Cook routes and larger aircraft be available then they could conceivably be switched to free up additional seats. Like most airlines the summer has the aircaft and crews maxed out just servicing the existing schedule.

EI-A330-300 17th Jan 2014 17:54

MCDU2

EI already have increased flights on lots of the same TCX routes. They are looking for specific aircraft for such routes long before this news. There may be nothing major out of it but EI and travel agents work well together and if there is demand from then EI will serve there needs where possible.

Capacity to Turkey is all but restored except a flight to AYT, Wings Abroad will increase flights. Only a matter of time before EI add AYT or even another service considering the success Izmir is for them.

A little surprised at the YYZ move, clearly bookings are good!

Seljuk22 18th Jan 2014 13:17

Some more figures about EK at DUB
Emirates Doubles its Dublin Service :: Routesonline

Mlinnie 19th Jan 2014 13:33

DL S14
 
Will DL be using the A332 on the DUB-ATL route?

Also, will DL add extra flights to JFK over the peak summer months like they did last year?

EI-A330-300 19th Jan 2014 13:36

Not currently to ATL, they are being moved to another US base, while its to early to know JFK, usually March before they are confirmed.

MCDU2 19th Jan 2014 13:59


EI already have increased flights on lots of the same TCX routes.
Got any numbers to support that? The increase in frequencies (eg: Canaries flights) were announced well before TCX pulled out. Without new airframes and recruitment of more pilots and ccms I can't see any "significant shape or form" as I stated earlier. The current fleet during summer is maxed out as are the crews hence the hire ins last year.

The other thing to bear in mind is that the charter pax are notoriously price sensitive and fickle. Not the target market the current business plan is focusing on.

EI-A330-300 19th Jan 2014 14:29

A lot of people know TCX ending was coming, its being know since the review a year ago, they have a very very bad summer last year compared to Thomson who had a great one and current trends for 14 suggest the same, Sunway see double digit growth in bookings before TCX closure announced. They hadn't even launched there summer brochure for this year and people knew it was not good. EI are the main winners as TCX website using only EI scheduled flights for future bookings.


Faro see the A332/3 twice weekly, Corfu gains extra weekly, Izmir increased capacity, Lanzarote extra weekly. Thomson add Ibiza while Ryanair move into Crete. They were getting it from all sides. There is always room within current capacity levels to fill more so the above extra will help and overall capacity for 2014 will be up with FR adding other bits.


EI are watching for a few extra aircraft to work with tour operators and benefit themselves. There is some room in current schedules for extra's to be added.


I'm wouldn't be surprised if they add a Turkish route if Wings Abroad and Sunway can't get operator to fill BJV and AYT. TCX picked the worst time to announce this and it shows poor management, they knew well before last week of the closure.


There won't be anything major but there will be small things.

EI-A330-300 22nd Jan 2014 15:22

Tarom increasing capacity by 50% for the summer, started last summer 3 weekly flights increased to 4 in October and increasing to 6 weekly in March.


Not sure how long it will last with Ryanair starting 4 weekly service and there is Blue Air's 3 weekly service to.

stab3.5up 22nd Jan 2014 18:34

Will do very well as back door way into uk via dub up the road to belfast in the uk job done.

LAX_LHR 22nd Jan 2014 18:36


Will do very well as back door way into uk via dub up the road to belfast in
the uk job done
Don't see why the analogy when they have been given the keys to the front door too.

EI-A330-300 22nd Jan 2014 18:58

TBH the only reason I can see its such success if the 06.05 arrival OTP connecting that area of Europe which is purely served from here.

CCR 22nd Jan 2014 20:41

Probably won`t be too long before Dublin-Sofia services are relaunched.

Jack1985 22nd Jan 2014 22:30


Not sure how long it will last with Ryanair starting 4 weekly service and there is Blue Air's 3 weekly service to.
Blue Air haven't long left, so a good move by TAROM to get them off the route to cosy up next to Ryanair ~ I understand a lot of connecting traffic thanks to SkyTeam partners for them as well as Romanians going to/from Bucharest and within Romania.


Probably won`t be too long before Dublin-Sofia services are relaunched.
I could see it being re-introduced for Winter operations by Aer Lingus, it done well back in Winter 2008/2009 with Topflight using some seats, didn't do well in the Summer months, and Aer Lingus preferred to use there aircraft elsewhere wisely.

barossavalley 23rd Jan 2014 06:54

Etihad to go double daily
 
Etihad to go double daily on Dublin-Abu Dhabi July 15

CCR 23rd Jan 2014 09:14

Wow, competition is really hotting up between Turkish, Etihad and Emirates all going double daily this year!
Wonder how long before we see Qatar or will they go for Cork or Belfast instead?

ExoticSkier 23rd Jan 2014 10:01

Dublin - Sofia
 
Hello,

Referring to Sofia & Bulgaria skiing.

Is there any tour operator serving ski holidays to Bulgaria from Ireland? The only crowd I found balkan.co.uk serving Belfast only. They list Dublin however no flights are loaded or are they full? It is a terrible website.

Bulgaria ski conditions are known to be quite erratic, having poor snow rattles the confidence of skiiers, damaging the seasonal demand. I plan to go this season but I will not book until snow conditions improve.

If EI or FB team up with a willing tour operator plus considering changes to the immigration laws perhaps a weekly A319 could work next season 2014/15 ? (Assuming there is no ski charters from DUB)

CCR 23rd Jan 2014 10:09

Think it`s quite likely for Dublin to Sofia to be relaunched in next winter`s schedule by Aer Lingus or some other airline.

GAZMO 23rd Jan 2014 10:18

Jet2 operate charter for ski company to Bulgaria from BFS every Saturday during season.

EI-A330-300 23rd Jan 2014 10:31

EY double daily from 15 July, extra B777 and 3 A332 weekly.


There was annual ski flights to Bulgaria until this season when they stopped. I believe ski holidays are much stronger this season so it could be returned next year or year after.

VanBosh 23rd Jan 2014 17:02

EY & EK now both double daily, when you consider EI couldn't make DXB work back in the Celtic tiger it just goes to show the amount of transit pax they must get.

I appreciate a lot more people now living in AUS etc but who is suffering from these guys gain? BA via LHR? Is 4xdaily sustainable?

Sober Lark 23rd Jan 2014 17:50

EI pulled out of Dubai because it could see significant demand for US flights. At the time they'd have us believe it wasn't anything to do with bad timings, bad service or poor onward connections.

Island of 6.5 million served by only 4 x daily flights. SQ and QR must kick themselves at a missed opportunity.

Skipness One Echo 23rd Jan 2014 18:09


EY & EK now both double daily, when you consider EI couldn't make DXB work back in the Celtic tiger it just goes to show the amount of transit pax they must get.
I appreciate a lot more people now living in AUS etc but who is suffering from these guys gain? BA via LHR? Is 4xdaily sustainable?
You're comparing apples with pears. Aer Lingus can get you to Dubai, just like Virgin do from Heathrow. Emirates however connect to many, many destinations going East from Dubai. DUB is a spoke on the Emirates hub and spoke network, EI was mainly point to point. The same applies to Etihad.

SQ and QR must kick themselves at a missed opportunity.
Singapore took a major hit at MAN when the ME3 went big time, that's at the extremity of the range of the B777-200ER, nowadays MAN routes MAN-MUC-SIN on a B777-300ER. I reckon that ship has sailed for DUB, the desert carriers are just too strong.

Sober Lark 23rd Jan 2014 21:15

You know you could be right Skip. One day Europe will probably transit through the desert.

EI-A330-300 25th Jan 2014 01:40

Windavia will begin a weekly service to Funchal, they will be replacing Sata who have reduced fleet. Flights run from 13 April to 12 October on Sundays.

stab3.5up 25th Jan 2014 16:30

Maybe might bring the price down a little as well for hols to fnc

akerosid 26th Jan 2014 10:00

Reported on another site that ET (Ethiopian Airlines) is looking at ADD-DUB-LAX from next January. Presumably 787s.

Would mark a return to LAX (presumably traffic rights would be awarded), but also first direct African route from DUB - and ADD is a very good hub for the continent.

Hangar6 26th Jan 2014 10:05

ET
 
Mm hope it happens but not a chance USA will allow traffic rights IRL LAX
What's in it for them , USA I mean ?

stab3.5up 26th Jan 2014 10:30

What was the other site and please guys lets not make an Air India out of thus story please!!

EI-A330-300 26th Jan 2014 10:33

It's on Travel Extra, you could say its more than a rumour considering the CEO announced the plans in Dublin and said discussions are going well at the minute.

Una Due Tfc 26th Jan 2014 11:01

Seems a strange one. Their 787s have the range to do direct flights to LAX, and the runway isn't long enough at DUB for their 777s to do it. Still fingers crossed, first 787 scheduled Dublin service maybe.

EK77WNCL 26th Jan 2014 11:38

However do Ethiopian's 787's have the range to do it from ADD's 7,656ft elevation runway? Even if it is over 15,000ft long.

Cyrano 26th Jan 2014 14:58


Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc (Post 8284613)
Seems a strange one. Their 787s have the range to do direct flights to LAX, and the runway isn't long enough at DUB for their 777s to do it. Still fingers crossed, first 787 scheduled Dublin service maybe.

In the audio clip on the site, the CEO clearly says they plan to use 777s. Maybe he hasn't checked the runway length? :cool:


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