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With DUB now back over 20 million per annum, how long will it be till we see an extension to the runway - what is the threshold that must be surpassed?

Does anyone know roughly how many additional seats will be on sale with the recent announcements?

Must be at least 23.5 million per year until the new runway is back on the cards and even at that the DAA have another proposal first.....

Ryanair are adding more than 700,000 from Dublin next year so with all the other airlines I would assume the final figure will be over the one million mark next year.

How many of the 20 million needed a longer runway?

Very little really needs the longer runway - its the fact that 10/28 is going to fall apart soon. A parallel runway is needed to allow it to be completely rebuilt and then to not hammer the single runway to death afterwards.

Overlooking the fact that St John's is supposed to be the cloudiest, foggiest and windiest of Canadian cities, I'd imagine Ryanair will observe Westjet's 16 week run in a 737-700 this summer with special interest.

United are increasing DUB-EWR to 2 daily between 06 June & 19 August.

The flight details for the second daily flight are as follows:

UA131 DEP DUB 12:30 ARR EWR 15:00
UA130 DEP EWR 22:25 ARR DUB 10:20

The flights will be operated by a B752.

United to Introduce Second Daily Dublin ? New York Nonstop Service for Summer 2014 - ITTN | Irish Travel Trade News Magazine

Its listed as a B737-700 in GDS. Rather strange!

That is strange.

The second daily flight is now bookable on the UA website and shows both daily flights will be operated by the 752.

Yes its on UA site as B757 which is why I was taken aback at B737-700 listed in GDS.

Good news for DUB anyway.

Amadeus now showing 757

T1 Security queues AT DUB
 

After a short period of EXCELLENCE it was disappointing to see the long queues back at DUB T1 security last week. Did it not even occur to the DAA that huge crowds would be returning home after the holidays? It was maddening to see that one third of the lanes were CLOSED during this very busy period.

Wasn't COA127 a second daily seasonal EWR flight before the merger and they started sending it to IAD instead? Thought it was only a matter of time before they got a second EWR flight going again. Let's hope they don't have the same issue with gates if they arrive early as the other flight.....

It was and there shouldn't be issues with gates at that time. It doesn't happen very often and airports can't be expected to plan around the wind direction for a handful of flights. If it was such an issue for UA they could of delayed the departure from the US but we all know why they couldn't do that, it's the same at DUB.

It seems Dublin has dropped out of Etihads top 10 routes list, despite having approximately the same capacity as Manchester (number 6 on the list) had for a lot of 2013 in the form of the B77W.

Routes News - Etihad reveals top 10 busiest routes

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Cargo was the main driver for the 777 upgrade, 2013 numbers are only up slightly so the B777 had next to no effect. Pax are up by just over 4000. EY plan 787 service which shows they never had plans for pax to operate a 777. The October upgrade to all 777 for a period was for cargo to.

BTW Man had a lot more capacity before the B777 started and even with the 777 ops MAN still have slightly more capacity.

On another note saw the Government meet with Qatar CEO about starting a direct service, IMO it will only be a matter of time before it happened with or without that meeting.

There is a limiting factor an Ireland to Australia service.............

As Irish economy improves and those who have emigrated have already done so then market reaches its own plateau of travellers.

On friends from both Ireland and UK who have emigrated to Antipodes in the first couple of years there are flights back home every year. But as people start to settle in their new lives after 2-3 years then this drops back to every 2-3 years. Even family visiting them tends to be about 1 visit in 3 years.

Biggest obstacle to QTR is that the ME carriers are only allowed use 1 gate in T2, something to do with the US preclearance according to a colleague in DUB, hence why the Emirates often has to sit waiting for the Etihad to depart if that is delayed in the morning. QTR could use T1 i suppose.....

Quote: Biggest obstacle to QTR is that the ME carriers are only allowed use 1 gate in T2, something to do with the US preclearance according to a colleague in DUB, hence why the Emirates often has to sit waiting for the Etihad to depart if that is delayed in the morning. QTR could use T1 i suppose.....


Not quiet the case when I'm at DUB, EY depart 3h before EK arrive after. I think they use one gate as its best one to use. QTR would have no problems as they could operate at anytime of the day. Evening departure or afternoon departure. They have a 14.45 departure form MAN and they could easily have that time at DUB with no problems and would not be gate restricted.


racedo - people I know from UK who went to AU they never came home for a long time after they left as they couldn't afford it but come back more often now.

Best mate from Dublin has cousins there who average a trip every 3-4 years.

Some friends see every 2 years but seems general ave is ever 2-3.

I was up in DUB for a meeting a while back. Went up to the tower to say Hi, Etihad 332 was waiting 45 mins for Emirates 77W to clear the gate. Other gates were free, ground controller said he couldn't give them another gate because the Americans didn't allow it

That was early afternoon IIRC

Yes 6 gates are blocked while US departures are in operation but AFAIK EK and EY request the specific stand and I think it best caters for the B777 and possibly doesn't block a second stand. I presume it was the afternoon arrival coming in earlier than scheduled that caused the wait.


I not sure if all the US gates are still blocked once the main bulk of departures happen (ie between 12.30-16.30) but as EI's 330's would be coming in from Europe arund 2 ish they probably still closed off. Qatat wouldn't have a problem if they were to come they would get a stand, something like this is small and wouldn't stop them. They bus passengers to terminals at other airports and as they are willing to use EDI facilities DUB won't have a problem!

Qatar
 

Would it be too late for Qatar to announce a Dublin route for S14?

@LAX LHR, no prizes for who ever is in the top 10.

Tim Clarke of Emirates just said they are going to double the number of flights on the DXB-DUB route.

EK second daily
 

Yes, but it's quite vague - no info on timing, frequency, type or when it's starting. uspect it was just a preliminary announcement as Enda of Arabia was visiting.

Still, good to have the commitment that it is starting.

Photo: A6-EBZ (CN: 32713) Emirates Boeing 777-31HER by John Fitzpatrick - JetPhotos.Net

I think it is probably too late to make an announcement for 2014. Can't help but think that EK's announcement was a message to QR: stay away from DUB ... although I do hope they start. Maybe cargo as well as/instead of pax?

Likely from September according to Tim.

Think they will start as well.
Majority of people will not have 2014 flights booked anyway so a mid year start is easily done.

788 would be perfect too. Relatively low risk due lower fuel costs and less capacity.

Not sure about cargo. The reason Emirates are doing so well is they took most of the cargo contracts that used to go through Heathrow with EI/Cathay. With daily 3x777W and a 332 or 4x777W between the other ME airlines, I wonder how much profit is there left? But I hope the market is there and they start a service

S7 Capacity Increase
 

S7 will use a A321 on their seasonal Dublin-Moscow route this year, still remains 1x weekly

I would of thought for a peak S14 launch it would be too late for a long/haul carrier, great news about the second daily Emirates service! :ok:

Elsewhere, Dublin-Helsinki has been dropped by Aer Lingus.

Bumper Year for Dublin
 

Good news for Dublin airport and the airlines:

Passenger numbers up at Dublin Airport for busiest year since 2009 - Tourism News | Travel & Tourism Industry News | The Irish Times - Mon, Jan 13, 2014

Final passenger numbers for 2013 were 20.2 million up 6% according to the DAA who are also rebating €5.6 million in charges to 40 airlines who grew traffic.

Some of the carriers to benefit were: Aer Arann, Aer Lingus, American Airlines, British Airways, Delta, Lufthansa, Norwegian, Turkish Airlines, Ryanair, SAS, Tarom, and United.

The daa have extended the scheme by 3 more years to 2016. Last year saw the highest pay out of the 3 years it's being active.

Transatlantic traffic reached 1.9 million up from the 1.8 million estimate back in August.

Latest News > Passengers at Dublin Airport up 6% to 20.2M in 2013

Emirates said it has carried 442,000 pax and 22,000 tons of cargo since 9 Jan 2012 on its DUB-DXB service. Second daily service starts Sep 2014. Rumour has it Mr Clark said Dublin would get a dedicated Emirates lounge but Enda thought it was a second daily flight so they went along with it to keep him happy hoping he'll have forgotten about it by September.

Brilliant year for Dublin, 2014 should pass 21m easily. Would it be plausible to think Dublin could go through 25m passengers PA before the end of this decade?

In another year or two dub will easily go through 23 million pax plus after Cork has been bled dry of her remaining passengers.

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Emirates said it has carried 442,000 pax and 22,000 tons of cargo since 9 Jan 2012 on its DUB-DXB service. Second daily service starts Sep 2014. Rumour has it Mr Clark said Dublin would get a dedicated Emirates lounge but Enda thought it was a second daily flight so they went along with it to keep him happy hoping he'll have forgotten about it by September.


Whichever one it is its good news but note a lot of online sites saying that a 777LR would do the second flight, which is more less the same as the 332 in capacity.


Good traffic figures overall and 550,000 transfer pax up 36% in a year. Didn't expect a figure like but heard that much higher numbers are transferring to Europe than the UK.

EK confirm the second daily flight from 1 sep. 773 being used and arriving at 20.50 and departing at 22.20.

EY v EK
 

Interesting timings for EK pm service as EY have also a pm service four evenings a week and might go to more, as in T2 they both use same stand and checking areas , plenty room there in the evenings but certainly changes coming and
EK do need a dedicated lounge as offer F class as well as business class,
Competition hotting up on ME ! Makes me think no room for QR now?

Comparable size to Manchester which has all three, as the economy recovers you might see QR join the party.

Cannot compare purely on size. Dublin has always traditionally been stronger going west due to immigrant populations in the US, Manchester going east due to the Asian subcontinent populations, and more recently, growing Chinese populations.

Yes, west is broadly correct, but if we look at Australia alone let us not forget 1.8 million reported Irish ancestry in their 2006 census. 40,000 moved to Australia in 2011/12 and 50,000 holiday makers and backpackers from Ireland visit each year. Community ties are strong here and that generates a substantial amount of two-way traffic which Emirates and the unmentionable are serving. On the exports front emerging Asia with China are set to overtake France. In a short time our main export destinations will be UK, USA, Germany, China.