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EastMids 28th Apr 2011 08:01

The delivery of the Nimrod R1 to EMA for the Aeropark is subject to delay due to the aircraft's retirement from active service being put back. I believe it will be flown in within 30 days of the RAF finishing with it, and then will be parked in the maintenance area for a while, whilst some equipment is removed from it. And yes, as with the other larger exhibits, for it to be moved into the Aeropark part of the fence will have to be temporarily taken down and tracking put down.

paul atkins 5th May 2011 19:47

jet2 2012
new routes murcia and malaga and increases on other routes

In addition to the new routes, due to customer demand Jet2.com will also increase capacity to many of Jet2.com’s most popular destinations from East Midlands. From May 2012, Jet2.com will fly to Alicante five times a week, the Algarve four times a week, Majorca six times a week and make 47 per cent more seats available to Tenerife with flights operating three times a week. This extra capacity, combined with the new routes, represents an additional 4,300 seats a week for holidaymakers from the East Midlands looking to head to Spain and Portugal’s top resorts. Jet2.com 2012 flights to Alicante, Algarve, Lanzarote, Murcia, Malaga, Majorca, and Tenerife are on sale now from East Midlands.

CabinCrewe 5th May 2011 19:55

Thomson reintroducing cancun from 2012

LBIA 5th May 2011 20:26

Can confirm that a 3rd based Jet2 aircraft is on its way to EMA from Summer 2012. This will be a Boeing 737 either 300 or 800. (Variant TBC) Adding to the already 2X based Boeing 757-200's.

MidlandDeltic 6th May 2011 09:30

Suzeman, how I agree - the crying shame is that the rail track wasn't taken through the airport and a station installed at ema - the bottleneck is still the M1 roundabout which is congested at the best of time. Also a station at the airport would encourage more passengers and staff to use public transport to get to and from the airport and maybe alleviate congestion on the A453 which is a notoriously bad road for accidents.
A rail link direct to EMA will never happen. There are simply not the pax numbers to justify it. It would require a dedicated shuttle to Nottingham,Derby or Leicester and would prevent the through running from further afield. The inconvenience of a further change would detract from use.

IMO, the reason the shuttle to the Parkway failed was the high price - if going to one of the three cities (the main market), it was cheaper and faster to use the direct bus services. This may have been intentional to protect pax numbers on those services.

As regards airport site workers, there are 24 hour bus services from Nottingham, Derby, Loughborough and Leicester - a level of service rail simply cannot provide consistently due to engineering works. The public transport option is there. Rail needs concentrated demand to work (as does bus to a lesser extent) due to the large capital costs involved - a major worksite in basically green fields surrounded by three ciities does not provide this concentrated demand as people are drawn to employment from all points of the compass.

As regards another post about co-ordination at Derby, an hourly bus service will always be a compromise for connecting at a rail station, but (apart from Crewe and Matlock) most rail services from Derby are at least half hourly, so the connection time would not be that great. It also does not help that the rail industry has a habit of designing timetables around their own operational needs and not necessarily notifying others of their intentions too far in advance - I speak from experience of trying to plan bus connections in just such situations.


INKJET 6th May 2011 10:01

Will baby now do Murcia from EMA with Jet2 having launched the routes?

ematom1 6th May 2011 17:25

brilliant news from jet 2 i can see them growing at ema rapidly like they have the past few years and hopefully theres a few more routes planned for 2012 aswell as the 2 new announced :)

Facelookbovvered 6th May 2011 21:42

I think Jet2 left it a year to long at EMA WW could have been finished off a year ago had Jet2 gone for the kill, but I think they have missed the boat and face an up hill struggle now.

If and when LH manage to sort out bmi then WW could become a serious player in this sector, the improvement in WW product quality is already noticeable in feed back on various forums that said the summer is yet to come and Jet2 are still short of crews going into the summer period in part because the pay is crap and higher paying jobs are out there.

The going rate for a 737 skipper is 80k/90k a 757/767 skipper is 90k/105k and the jobs are out there now.

Jamie2k9 6th May 2011 22:23

Jet 2 have dropped Geneva and Chambéry. All were bookable for the winter but have being pulled.

airhumberside 6th May 2011 22:41

GVA and Chambery never made it on sale for next winter. They stayed in the booking engine for a couple of weeks after thsi year's ski season finished but with no flights on sale

757flyer 7th May 2011 09:06

unless Jet2 start paying the going rate for the job they wont have any pilots to operate the routes! Most of my former colleagues there i have spoken to are looking elswhere, plus a blatant disrespect of the pilots wishes re BALPA jet2 are heading for meltdown.

FR- 7th May 2011 09:09

Would be nice for jet2 to start new routes, not just speading the market even thinner.


Facelookbovvered 7th May 2011 12:30


have to agree, Jet2 were unlucky with Sharm market post the Arab spring, this winters ski season has been weak for Europe in part due snow conditions but also the £ v Euro meant the US is better value, so no surprise about GVA Chambery with WW on both routes next winter.

Doing more basic Med's from EMA might help but all routes are well covered now from EMA by both WW & FR plus the IT boys

The 757's seem to be parked at EMA more than fly these past months

Thought they might have done something into Italy for next Summer

airhumberside 7th May 2011 15:16

Who knows what else is to come for 2012. Only the first wave of flights currently released

ericlday 7th May 2011 15:34

Its interesting to read on Airport threads of more and more flights for 2012 but they need more and more passengers with more and more money to fill those extra seats.

OliWW 7th May 2011 18:09

With the aircraft parked up so much they need to be looking at longer haul routes. Its not like their 752's cant make a trans-atlantic route such as SFB, YYZ or JFK, all their winglet aircraft are ETOPS and so their aircraft are a total waste of space and cost just sitting around for 3/4 days of the week during the winter! and some days in the summer with SSH gone!

ATNotts 7th May 2011 21:59


Reality check required.

Is it better to have an aircraft bought and paid for on the ground, or losing a fortune operating uneconomical routes?

They may well be a waste of space, but are they a waste of money?

Facelookbovvered 8th May 2011 09:24

Ha the old argument about making money out of parking aircraft up rather than flying them! Whilst I agree that you lose less money by not flying unprofitable routes the idea that somehow it's good use of capital to buy aircraft that cost money whether you fly it or not and then claim the plan is not to fly it is absurd, other than biz jets of course.

The 757 fleet has seriously long legs and is wasted unless used, it's rare that these are full down to he med, no LoCo gets the near 100% load factor that the likes TCX gets.

Sharm & Tunisia was unfortunate in terms of timing let's hope that the next release of routes is more interesting

OliWW 8th May 2011 11:33


Never said it would be more viable to fly uneconomically, but the potential to fly to more destinations which would be seen as money making routes, such as long haul routes should be considered as its aircraft don't seem to do much else. They need to consider the market they are actually flying to, they know why certain routes are uneconomical at certain periods, so they should plan to fly to other destinations which aren't, rather than non atall when they have the equipment to do so... and if there is no room for other destinations, why base an aircraft at EMA for only 1 or 2 days a week, when parking charges at other bases such as LBA or NCL are cheaper... does not make any financial sense!

ATNotts 8th May 2011 20:54


I agree with they should look to operate profitable routes, but I just don't see a 2 x weekly JFK, for example, being viable, as business passnegers wouldn't buy it, and Jet 2 have no interline agreements that would open up the rest of the US using JFK as a gateway. SFB used to be a 757 destination, before the advent of ETOPS 767s, and nobody these days would swap a direct 767 from MAN for a one-stop on a 757. A weekly YYZ might work, as the 757 can certainly do it, and it is very much a VFR route which works well from most regional airports, and might well do likewsie for EMA, but it would probably need the support of tour operators such as Canadian Affair to really succeed.

OliWW 8th May 2011 21:50

Jet2 would find it easy to get route support, e.g. lapland flights/their flights to Jeddah this winter just gone, don't think that would be to much of an issue, clearly something they haven't yet tried...

SFB could be operated, yes with a one stop, however, flyglobespan dropping out of BFS, could be a perfect opportunity for EMA-BFS-SFB-BFS-EMA with no flight to Sanford from EMA anymore, YYZ would work, but JFK was just pure example, I have to say, it wouldn't work unless it was on a regular basis.

Mr Angry from Purley 8th May 2011 21:51

Where are these jobs then?. I spoke to a new Jet 2 F/O at EMA last week and he said that recruitment had been increased across the board, and that during the summer they were reducing the amount of ad hoc flying / charters etc and concentrating on the normal stuff. Going to be an interesting summer with lack of Egypt etc i agree but i don't think they will suffer from crew shortages as you pilots always say everyone's hacked off and leaving and surprise suprise you stay and take the wonga. :\

GayFriendly 8th May 2011 21:55

I'm sure I read that TOM is reinstating flights from EMA to SFB in summer 2012 along with CUN and POP? Jet2 could I agree also offer such flights with a stop en route but surely the runway at EMA is long enough to allow a 767 to do these flights non stop? Filling them profitably with passengers could I admit be the problem though.....

[email protected] 9th May 2011 08:12

SFB is reinstated next summer weekly on a Saturday. The long haul routes from EMA are SFB, CUN and PUJ all weekly with TOM / FCA.

Jet2 will not be gong long haul from EMA for at least 5 years. Thats from high up the heirachy.

With 3 aircraft confirmed now from Jet2 for next summer, I assume at least another 3 or 4 routes should be announced soon?

OliWW 10th May 2011 19:35

EMA-JFK INTRODUCED! all be it for a week...
Jet2 are operating flights from EMA to JFK from 14th Nov 11 - 20th Nov 11... There will be 2 flights ops by a 75W non-stop

GlennTheBaker 10th May 2011 20:37

Its actually EWR, not JFK.

OliWW 10th May 2011 20:56

Thanks... :ok:

LBIA 10th May 2011 22:15

Its only 1 return charter service Jet2 are operating to New York-Newark from East Midlands this year..

LS073 Departs EMA 08:10 Thu, Nov 17th - Arrives EWR 11:15 Thu, Nov 17th
LS074 Departs EWR 22:00 Sun, Nov 20th - Arrives EMA 10:00 Mon, Nov 21st

Cazza_fly 18th May 2011 19:44

bmibaby.com EMA Summer 2012
Brand new flights with bmibaby for summer 2012 have just gone on sale today.

New in the line-up are to Gibraltar, Corfu, Murcia and Naples! Along with these new routes Cologne is to go year round and there are slight frequency increases on many current summer destinations too!

Gibraltar upto 3x weekly!
Corfu upto 1x weekly
Murcia upto 2x weekly
Naples upto 2x weekly
Cologne upto 4x weekly

AP1995 18th May 2011 22:27

are bmi baby's aircraft capable of doing greece? and isit there first greek route? amazing news though

Cazza_fly 18th May 2011 22:45

are bmi baby's aircraft capable of doing greece? and isit there first greek route? amazing news though
Yes, especially with Corfu being one of the shorter routes from the UK. They currently fly EMA to Malta which is usually slightly longer than the Corfu route. They are however up-rating some of their engines on just a few of the aircraft, mainly because of the new European flights from Belfast City Airport (runway length/weight), so I guess these may also be used on such flights in the future. Perhaps they will keep the ex-Thomson Airways 733s they are currently recieving with the higher-thrust settings.

ematom1 19th May 2011 21:37

amazing news so how many aircraft will be based at ema next summer, wonder if they have anymore routes planned? :)

Cazza_fly 19th May 2011 22:19

amazing news so how many aircraft will be based at ema next summer, wonder if they have anymore routes planned? http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...lies/smile.gif
ema = 8 a/c
bhx = 4 a/c
bhd = 2 a/c

ematom1 20th May 2011 17:10

ba route to naples seems to be on in the morning :)

Mr Airtours 27th May 2011 18:04

Nice Advert for East Midlands (London North)
I see East Midlands just made it onto the map for 'Airfields within 2hrs 30mins of London for the 2012 Olympic Games. Not a bad advert really, on page 24 of the pdf doc. http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/regional/l...ortoptions.pdf
Lets hope we see some business out of it !:ok::D

ematom1 30th May 2011 18:29

Anyone know why the transavia 737-700 is in tonight and departing back to amsterdam apparntly it was the same last night? :S

HV886420:10AmsterdamScheduled 20:10HV886420:10AmsterdamScheduled 20:10
HV8868 20:10 Amsterdam
HV092 20:50 Amsterdam


stuart-travel 6th Jun 2011 14:40

Baby EMA
Inghams 2012 preview brochure quotes ema-szg sat may-sep 2012
bmibaby flight times 07.00 return 11.30 approx sch flight, is this a new route to be added to the list for 2012.

INKJET 6th Jun 2011 20:29

Maybe a charter, there are a number of other charters that baby are doing this Winter and next Summer

stuart-travel 7th Jun 2011 16:34

All flights are sch quoted from the 2012 brochure
ema-szg sat 07.00-11.05 26may-15sep
ema-dbv sun 07.00-14.00 06may-16sep
ema-vrn wed 12.50-17.50 23may-26sep
ema-vrn sat 07.30-12.30 10may-29sep
ema-gva sat 07.20-11.35 t/b/a


stuart-travel 10th Jun 2011 09:20

Baby EMA
I see today baby are short of aircraft glasgow cancelled and jersey around 3 hrs delay is this a sick aircraft or other, will thy be better when the ex thomson aircraft arrives end of june.

we use the jersey service for our jersey holidays we operate and is this a one of or a summer problem, is any person from baby on the forum to advise us.


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