Not quite as bad as first thought...
 

See separate UKIA thread on this one.

IOM
 

Not sure if this is old news but the Leicester Mercury have a piece about a new IOM route by Manx2

Ema-ork
 

Could anyone tell me how the new East Midlands-Cork route is doing? What have loads been like? I was just wondering what the demand has been like for the new service given that BMI Baby and Aer Lingus both already operate daily services from Birmingham to Cork.

East Midlands 6
 

The EMA-ORK flight has been full every time i have looked on the pax numbers page but this may be due to xmas holiday travellers so it will be easier to judge how well used this route is in two or three weeks time.

Is this to be operated by a Let410, Metro or the recently introduced D228?

FC

Manx
 

Fried Chicken - the article said a 19 seater but didn't specify type

From the Manx2 press release (from their website):

The flights will be operated by a fast, pressurised 19 seat Metroliner aircraft.

SAM-EMA

Update to xl programme 2008 new flight to lca operated by a xl lca based aircraft wed from july 08

also on the website thy have now added some of the 2008/09 programme and EMA has a xl aircraft based all winter some weekend flying to be added has flights so far operate mon to fri.

The only programme from xl group 2008/09 shows only flying from EMA/BRS/LGW/MAN?.

happy new year.

Ema-ork
 

END BAG
Thats great, thanks for the info

ryanair
 

hey all i have noticed that from 14/2 the dublin route is to operate 4 daily rotations(afternoon dublin based) at they have also bought foward the 2nd flight to belfast city to the 14/2

Glad to see an XL a/c is going to be based at EMA, and also glad to see the increase in the DUB, making my trips across even more flexible. Other new routes or increased frequenices also expected soon from FR, I think the 6th a/c is due sometime in the spring.

But, what I was wondering was when TCX reverts to basing A320s at EMA, what will happen to the winter Gambia-Banjul flights, because the A320s wouldn't make it there would they, and I wouldn't think they would bring a larger a/c just for the one flight a week, so maybe the flights will be discontinued next winter. Any view and comments on this appreciated.

Thanks
SAM-EMA

tcx
 

hey sam the banjul flights are not operating through out next winter there are flights in november ,xmas and from february 09.the sixth ryanair aircraft starts from the 14/2 there are also 2 further flights a week to girona extra 1 on thursdays and sundays

East Midlands 6
 

SAM-EMA
Ithink you will find that the E.M.A-Gambia flights have always been operated by Astraeus Airlines using 737-700s.they ferry down from MAN and then operate E.M.A -BRS-BJL.

tcx
 

thomas cook also operate a flight to gambia on tuesdays

Must be some rescheduling to do.
At the moment FR539 is due to dep EMA at 1525, arr DUB 1625, and FR127 is scheduled to depart 1545, arrive DUB 1645.

:confused:

Are there new routes coming too?

What do you know dumdumbrain - we can normally rely on your snippets. :ok:

For summer 08 what airlines are with which handeling agents?

Are Thomas cook staying with Menzies with mytravel being brought, or moving to servisair?

yes thomas cook are staying with menzies they will be doing mytravel aswell

Re: summer 2008, Menzies have retained the TCX contract for the 2x A320. They have also won the manx2 IOM contract. TOM and FCA will stay the same this year, and for next summer there will be a TUI contract up for grabs for the combined TOM/FCA contract. If Menzies gain that, could be interesting times for Servisair :}

That means that Menzies have Thomas Cook, bmibaby, bmi, eastern, easyjet and manx2, and servisair have thomsonfly, first choice, xl, ryanair, sterling and ukia if they are back...


any news on kang parcific starting?

Not a major correction, but Menzies only handle bmibaby and bmi regional on the ramp - with bmibaby having their own CSA and dispatch staff, and although bmi charter received a total handling package from Menzies, I think XL are bringing all of their flights in-house to be operated by XL Airways for S08, and these flights I'd presume will be handled by their current handling agent Servisair.

Menzies, as you say, handle both front of house and ramp for Thomas Cook Airlines, easyJet, Eastern Airways and Manx2, and they are growing all the time. They also do cargo handling for quite a few airlines. Servisair have Ryanair, Thomsonfly, First Choice, XL, Air Malta, Onur Air, Spanair, Air Europa, Futura and one or two airlines that fly in once a week.

thomson 2008
 

the latest thomson flight schedule has been updated showing 2 b737/8s and 1 b757 for this summer there are going to be alot of the 737/8s this year.

FR 6th A/C
 

Any ideas on increased frequencies and new routes as a result of the 6th FR a/c, and also the 7th as well?

Thanks for any responses
SAM-EMA

FR 6th ac
 

Sam-ema

When I looked at the situation some weeks ago the 6th ac was fully utilised by the existing route structure, so there I don't think there are any more to come unless there are more aircraft or outbased operations.

As I remember the sixth ac is utilised by:

BHD - increasing to twice daily (currently 1 per day)
ORK - becomes daily (currently 4? per week)
A number of seasonal routes are re-introduced(AHO FNI EGC RMI come to mind)
Some frequencies have minor changes - can't remenber which but I recall CCF increases from current 2/wk.

Also it has been noted that DUB goes 4 daily and there are some increases on GRO but these only appear to be short term increases - DUB is back to 3/wk in the summer in the schedules at the moment.

Around this time 19 years ago 08/01/89 BMA 737-300 crashed @ Kegworth.
Everlasting memories, obviously the engine fire, but particularly the noise coming out of it, at the time I was convinced it was the evening ATP from LHR, surely
such a noise couldn't come from a jet engine. And a Fire Engine hurtling (and I mean hurtling) round the road by the Black Horse Pub
Spare a passing thought for all involved. :\

sorry to be picky Mr Angry Sir, but it was a 737-400 series and not a 300 series. My dad was a member of the emergency services there that night and said that he couldnt believe the wreckage was actually a plane. Scary stuff really.

Anyway, time to lighten the mood. Any further developments from the airport????? How are the Sterling routes doing????? they seem strong. Any further info on any terminal expansion apart from a covered walkway of the interchange all the way round to departures???

Regards

Stu

Sterling
 

Stu

Re "How are the Sterling routes doing????? "

CAA stats for November show grim reading but of course it was the first full month of operations and of course winter.

CPH 2401 pax
OSL 1433 pax
ARN 1518 pax

I have not got the timetable for November but based on Jan/Feb, I estimate CPH had 36 (or 34) rotations which equals 67 (71) per flight, Oslo 26 rotations which = 55 per flight and Stockholm 26 rotations =
58 per flight.

They must be fairly confident of CPH as it is showing Mo-Fr in the
summer.

I am not surprised at Oslo but thought Stockholm would be better as
it is the only flight from the Midlands (Mind you so is Oslo).

Pete

Still eagerly awaiting a return of KLM to the AMS route.

With it looking increasingly likely that Alitalia will be joining the growing AF/KLM stable (which now includes VLM/KLM Cityhopper/CityJet/Air France and KLM) added to that the strong SkyTeam partners with Northwest and Delta, to have EMA linked in to this global network must surely be a priority.

The chances on a Oneworld hub link are minimal or nil, and a Star Alliance seems unlikely as Lufty seem very BHX-centric.

Here's hoping the KLM Cityhopper F50s will be bck at EMA sometime in the next 12 months.

:cool:

You have got zero chance of any full service airline coming to EMA for the forseeable future. I cant see any expansion this coming year, just a consolidation year.

our airport has expanded in the wrong area's in some ways and the correct areas in others. Ryanair is great for the users of the airport, but what people want no a days is hub carriers to travel Long Haul. The EMA masterplan stated that they were hoping for routes to the Far East.............. Never Gonna happen. The airport has turned stale under Manchester Airports management. They are concentrating on MAN and thats where any expansion will occur

That's quite a statment UPS!

But EMA already has an additional FR based aircraft on the way, and NB are upping CPH to a daily service in the summer. So no sign of consolidation yet. :ok:

the additional FR aircraft is a plus, but with no new routes just covering last summers routes that are returning and 2 extra flights per week to make CPH 6 times weekly isnt much. I am an avid supporter of the airport and having worked there and also used it on no end of occasions, all i want is for the place to develop. The only problem is that airlines are looking nowhere near the regions with the only exceptions made are the Daily CO flights out of BRS and the Daily EK out of NCL, apart from that most airlines concentrate on the primary airports of LHR, LGW, MAN, BHX, GLA, EDI, STN and LTN.

Saying that, i cant believe other airports such as MME and CWL can support 3+ daily services from KLM, while EMA doesnt get a sniff.

My question is 'Is the airport management being negligent to full service carriers????? Simple fact of the matter is the airport needs a hub feeder airline, whether that be Lufty or KLM or Air France

I don't think the management is being negligent towards the full service carriers, don't forget that until the low-cost carriers came to EMA, the airport had a very successful full service route network operated by BMI. It was BMI's decision to create its own low-cost airline to compete with Go/Easyjet and Ryanair that effectively dismantled this network almost overnight.

I agree completely that what EMA needs is more connections to major European hubs, and perhaps KLM or BMI Regional could provide this to AMS and FRA, to link up with their respective alliance partners. The fact is though, that these routes are now only a small part of EMA's business, and the low-cost sector is now so dominant, that it seems that is how it will remain.

R5

Fr @ Bhx!!!!!
 

As per post on the BHX thread - The new FR routes from BHX have very little overlap with their routes from EMA, so....

1. Could it be, that these were originally planned to operate from EMA ?

2. Could we now see a 'slow down' of FR activities at EMA?

3. Hope Penny & Co. have not 'bitten off, more than they can chew!'

Stu

So where is dumdumbrain when we need him?

There are two ways to look at the FR BHX announcement.

Firstly - as stated, many of the routes are not served from EMA, so were any of them destined for EMA?

BUT - as there is very very limited overlap with EMA does this show FR are (at this stage) not trying to canibalise the EMA base?

There certainly seems to have been no public disagreement with EMA suggesting they are "moving" to BHX, it more clearly seems to be FR moving in on BE (and also WW).

It is a shame some of the routes have not been announced from EMA - in fact it seems a while since an FR EMA announcement.

Does anyone know, out of interest, of any issues between FR and EMA?

Interesting that FR have gone on to the Oslo and Stockholm routes out of BHX, both NB routes from EMA - they didn't want a head on fight with NB?

I am glad about this - as some LOCO diversity is good for EMA, but for all that FR get negative comments from some, when you look at the pax numbers in winter these past couple of years, and look at the mid-January departures board, EMA has been enlivened by FR's presence.

I well remeber the days of a few lonely BD DC9s and a couple of BY flights on weekdays in Jan in the past.

So I, for one, am hoping that FR's will continue to grow out of EMA. They have stated the hope to increase to 10 aircraft at BHX - lets hope they increase to 10 at EMA first :ok::ok:

December Pax
 

December's passenger figures show an increase of 16.7% over 2006 at 377,929, bringing the total for 2007 to 5,414,299 which is a very creditable 14.5% increase on '06.

Penny Coates is reported as saying "The challenge is for us to build on this fantastic performance"; with recent events at BHX and the continued reduction in the IT sector, I think this is somewhat of an understatement, with 2008 probably going to show little or no growth.

The greatest proportion of the past year's increase has been due to FR's dramatic expansion of routes from EMA, and I suspect there will be little or nothing from them in the near future with their expansion from the Midlands now likely to be firmly focused at Birmingham.

It has been obvious for years that Easy have no wish to expand at EMA and Baby seem to be just treading water, so I think the best Penny and her colleagues can hope for is a year of consolidation! Perhaps they could turn their attention to the freight side of the airport's business which seems to be in need of some impetus of late?

New Destination
 

From 2 Nov 08 XL will fly EMA - Hurghada, Egypt weekly on Sundays.

Ref xl 08/09 programme the new flight on sunday is a pm flight
this will leave the programme with 2 slots to fill sun am and sat
But with xl/air malta no longer operating from bhx from 1/11/08 will we see more flights from the bhx programme.

New ailine for EMA from 2009 AEROLOGIC will fly cargo on routes EMA-DXB/SHJ AND EMA- BOM/HKG more details to follow.

Aerologic is the joint venture between DHL and Lufthansa Cargo operating 777-200LRF's. they will operate flights a few times a week to DXB and to HKG. more details can be found on their web site http://www.aerologic.aero

Good news about Hurghada too. Just need more long haul and then i will be happy. Shame ill be a miserable sob forever. :ugh:

Oh and sorry to hear about all the staff from UKIA struggling and awaiting pay

Regards

Stu

NOt heard from some of the regulars for a while.

LittleBlue
Almost Prof
Dumdum

You guys all ok?

Still Here!
nothing concrete to pass on-various rumours regarding terminal work etc , but nothing actually happening-be interested to know what if any new destinations the extra Ryanair A/C will be operating
the EMFS buildings have gone but the road to link up the western cargo not in place yet
anything on possible UPS expansion?
did get 3 An124's together the other week though!