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Originally Posted by dpconlan2011 (Post 7264945)

It seems that BA/bmi will be pulling out of Dublin just as quick as they went in, if their Winter schedule from October 28th is anything to go by.

Winter schedule appears to be 4/day with some long layovers in DUB. Especiallly in the DUB->LHR direct, timings are inconsistent - consistent LHR arrival slots seem to have been sacrificed to other causes (I'm assuming that LHR slots are more likely to be the problem than DUB slots).

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LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
DUB Dublin IE [EIDW]
FRI 02 Nov 2012 - 09 Nov 2012

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Frequency | Dur'n | Dep T | Arr T | Effect | Ending | Exceptions
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------
BA 8124 LHR 07:50 DUB 09:10 319 0 1234567 01:20 1 1 28 Oct 30 Mar
BA 8126 LHR 09:55 DUB 11:20 319 0 ---4--- 01:25 1 1 01 Nov 28 Mar
BA 8126 LHR 13:00 DUB 14:25 319 0 123-567 01:25 1 1 28 Oct 30 Mar
BA 8132 LHR 15:50 DUB 17:10 319 0 ------7 01:20 1 1 28 Oct 24 Mar
BA 8132 LHR 16:00 DUB 17:20 319 0 123456- 01:20 1 1 29 Oct 30 Mar
BA 8134 LHR 19:35 DUB 20:55 319 0 ------7 01:20 1 1 28 Oct 24 Mar
BA 8134 LHR 20:05 DUB 21:25 319 0 123456- 01:20 1 1 29 Oct 30 Mar

DUB Dublin IE [EIDW]
LHR London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
FRI 02 Nov 2012 - 09 Nov 2012

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Frequency | Dur'n | Dep T | Arr T | Effect | Ending | Exceptions
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ----------------------------------------------------------------
BA 8125 DUB 08:20 LHR 09:45 319 0 12345-- 01:25 1 1 29 Oct 29 Mar
BA 8125 DUB 08:35 LHR 10:00 319 0 -----67 01:25 1 1 28 Oct 30 Mar
BA 8127 DUB 09:45 LHR 11:05 319 0 ------7 01:20 1 1 28 Oct 24 Mar
BA 8127 DUB 10:40 LHR 12:00 319 0 -----6- 01:20 1 1 03 Nov 30 Mar
BA 8127 DUB 10:45 LHR 12:05 319 0 -234--- 01:20 1 1 30 Oct 28 Mar
BA 8129 DUB 11:05 LHR 12:25 319 0 ------7 01:20 1 1 28 Oct 24 Mar
BA 8129 DUB 12:55 LHR 14:20 319 0 ---4--- 01:25 1 1 01 Nov 28 Mar
BA 8127 DUB 13:00 LHR 14:20 319 0 1---5-- 01:20 1 1 29 Oct 29 Mar
BA 8129 DUB 15:00 LHR 16:25 319 0 -23--6- 01:25 1 1 30 Oct 30 Mar
BA 8129 DUB 15:15 LHR 16:40 319 0 1------ 01:25 1 1 29 Oct 25 Mar
BA 8129 DUB 15:25 LHR 16:50 319 0 ----5-- 01:25 1 1 02 Nov 29 Mar
BA 8133 DUB 18:00 LHR 19:20 319 0 12345-- 01:20 1 1 29 Oct 29 Mar
BA 8131 DUB 18:00 LHR 19:25 319 0 ------7 01:25 1 1 28 Oct 24 Mar
BA 8133 DUB 18:25 LHR 19:45 319 0 ------7 01:20 1 1 28 Oct 24 Mar

I'd say Dublin will be here for a while yet !

W12 Other route news

British Airways have as previously posted started to release there W12 Shorthaul timetable. Changes are from 28th October unless otherwise stated. Other changes to those already posted include:

Aberdeen

LHR flights increase from 7 to 8 Daily *

BA1322 LHR 0940 ABZ 1110 319 3
BA1322 LHR 0955 ABZ 1125 319 x367

BA1323 ABZ 1320 LHR 1450 319 x127
BA1323 ABZ 1330 LHR 1500 319 127

*Excluding service currently operated by bmi

Barcelona

BA will resume services between LGW and BCN from Feb 2013.

BA2706 LGW 08:50 BCN 12:00 734 D
BA2708 LGW 14:40 BCN 17:50 734 D
BA2710 LGW 20:20 BCN 23:30 734 D

BA2705 BCN 07:10 LGW 08:15 734 D
BA2707 BCN 12:55 LGW 14:00 734 D
BA2709 BCN 18:40 LGW 19:50 734 D

Edinburgh

LHR flights will increase from 11 to 12 Daily *

BA1444 LHR 1250 EDI 1405 319 x67

BA1449 EDI 1550 LHR 1715 319 x67

*Excluding service currently operated by bmi

Lyon

LHR flights will increase from 3 to 4 Daily from 25 November

BA358 LHR 1700 LYS 1940 319 x6

BA359 LYS 2100 LHR 2145 319 x567
BA359 LYS 2115 LHR 2200 319 57

Oslo

LHR flights will increase from 4 to 5 Daily from 18 November

BA764 LHR 1120 OSL 1430 319 x6

BA765 OSL 1515 LHR 1650 319 235
BA765 OSL 1520 LHR 1655 319 4
BA765 OSL 1600 LHR 1735 319 1
BA765 OSL 1625 LHR 1800 319 7

Zagreb

BA will begin daily service to Zagreb from 9th December

BA848 LHR 08:30 ZAG 11:35 319 D

BA849 ZAG 12:55 LHR 14:00 319 D

TERMINAL CHANGES

From 28th October:

All flights from LHR to AGA, BGO & SVG will switch from Terminal 1 to 5

All flights from LHR to BSL, DUS, LUX, LYS & TLS will switch from Terminal 5 to 1

All BA flights to EDI & MAN will be operated from T5

AIRPORT CHANGES

From 28th October:

ALL flights to RAK will operate from LGW. Frequency will be increased from 3 x Weekly to Daily

Flights to BLQ & MRS will switch from LGW to LHR.

Further Timetable changes are expected from between now and October information listed above is correct as of today

Does anyone know the following?

Is there is there a fixed date for Aberdeen & Edinbugh slots to be divested?

When will the BD designator finally be retired? From the start of Winter 12?

Will the BMI fleet be fully integrated into the BA fleet and if so when?

Presumably details about Rotterdam are still to be announced?

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Will the BMI fleet be fully integrated into the BA fleet and if so when?

Not at present.
The ex-BMI A319 and A320 will all be converted to BA AOC, but will not be modified to BA standard. i.e. the A319 will stay at 144 seats, not change to BA 132. The galleys and toilets will stay as is for now.
These aircraft will be operated from T1 in the future as two separate sub-fleets.

No announcement yet on the 7 A321, but expected to be refitted with new seats in a mid-haul config and operate as a separate fleet from T5.

Noticed BMI's G-DBCE is in the old Concorde hangar in full BA colours and crest tonight. Also, G-EUOE is now out of the paint shop in the same colours.

I would suggest that based on forward bookings on the ba dub lhr route you my see an increase in rotations as they go head to head with ei as the ei is code share ba will offer the full ba product from point of sale on line onboard service that ei just cant compare on service.

Didn't somebody from BA management a few weeks back say that they were considering three new domestic Heathrow routes? Sorry I can't find the link, but it wasn't WW or in the IAG statement.

That makes 1) BHD; 2) LBA so where is 3)....NQY, JER,..........?

would they have slots available to have 5 rotations to JER a day over the course of the day ? especially when the current JER sectors seem to sell very well ?

NQY.................

well as much as id love to see it, its a route i think that NQY needs and its a route that im fairly certain CCC will heavily subsidise, but will BA use slots for a LHR-NQY route even if only 1 or 2 daily on an A319 ?

cs

Seriously, NQY-LHR on a Tuesday in Feb, seems a waste of a slot regardless of how much of taxpayers money politicians throw at it. INV would get LHR before NQY, LGW-NQY was hardly a triumph on the B737.

Seasonal LHR-NQY maybe but BA dont really do seasonal routes ex LHR

however, a seasonal LCY-NQY route could work on an EMB170 or even better the S2000 ?

cs

You have to remember that with LHR, BA are not remotely interested in point to point traffic, they only want traffic to feed into their long haul network.

BA could start up many UK domestics but how much of them are going to yield a decent number of connecting pax?

I'll be very surprised to see any more UK domestic from BA and I'll also be surprised if this LBA route survives for anything over 18 months on this schedule.

Why would BA go after a route between LHR and NQY? They sold their business off in the west country before and we got Air Southwest, before which they moved the route to LGW. They also tried a LGW NQY route for a time, although Ryanair were on STN NQY at the same time.

If BA see so many long haul or other destinations internationally that they want to operate slot permitted, there is no case for a marginal domestic route, unless of course they are trying to keep the competition authority happy and trying to ally their fears as the bmi integration is being completed.

EI-BUD

By the look of the winter timetable there are a few strange timings with flights leaving 5 minutes apart. Also first departure not until 0735 ! Think the first Sunday flight is 1200! Anyone else noticed this ? Also flight numbers have changed again.

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Originally Posted by CaptainDoony (Post 7270870)

You have to remember that with LHR, BA are not remotely interested in point to point traffic, they only want traffic to feed into their long haul network.

Not quite correct. What BA are really interested in is BOTH sets of traffic, because the aircraft will typically fill with half of each, neither on its own giving the load, but in combination you do so. There's quite a business market from West Yorkshire to Surrey and the Thames Valley, and likewise in return from all the execs who live thereabouts and want day return trips to Yorkshire businesses. For both these groups getting to/from Kings Cross station is a real pig. You also get better yields from O&D than from connections

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I'll also be surprised if this LBA route survives for anything over 18 months on this schedule.

However I agree with this as well. Whoever decided to base the service at the Heathrow end rather than overnighting at LBA ? This NEVER works for UK domestic routes, as various attempts over the years fully bear out. First morning arrival into LHR at 1025 ??? !!! That completely puts the kibosh on any connections to morning departures, and also to meaningful O&D day return business usage from Yorkshire. Last arrival into LHR at 2240. That flight will be empty. It won't do any connections at all, and is far too late for returning O&D from the London end. Whoever wants to hang around LBA until 20 minutes to 10pm for their return ?

It's almost like the northbound and southbound schedules have been accidentally reversed. Does nobody at Waterside remember Airline Scheduling 1.01 ?

BHD-LHR Winter Schedule

Yes 0735 does seem a bit late, but in practice will be OK for most.

The 1200 first flight on Sunday does seem odd, though there is always the 0715 Codeshare with Aer Lingus. Yes, the Aer Lingus codeshare from BFS is still bookable with connecting flights!
The early sunday flights are mainly connecting passengers after all.

Perhaps the Aer Lingus codeshare is why flights appear to be oddly spaced? BA flights themselves are fairly evenly distributed throughout the day.

Threat to LCY-JFK?

The main selling point is the ability to pre clear at Shannon which is about to be lost for half of the service, as the CBP closes before the BA003 leaves City.

Concern that US officials shift changes at Shannon could damage business - Business - Limerick Leader

Varadkar is a twit. He has no clue of BA's intentions for Shannon. The Irish Taoiseach only recently shunned the idiot Minister of Transport. 'a small plane of 18 business people', how ignorant. These 18 usually represent the top business people of both NYC and London. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you...

How much benefit does Ireland really get from this flight which stays in the Irish economy rather than going into the accounts of a multinational based elsewhere ?

BA1413, 1415, 1417, 1419 etc were the BFS-LHR Shuttle flight numbers 11 years ago can't believe they're back