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[Aero Mad]

Originally Posted by pabely

Blame MS Teams & Zoom for that and the people who work in their PJ's.

...and who are now able to read their children a bedtime story, see them grow up, share out parenting, not divorce, not get distracted by vapid water-cooler chats or micro-managing seniors...

It's great that people are now more able to fly, and travel for work, when they want to, rather than when they have to.

[tictack67]

Originally Posted by WHBM

Also carriers like BA who progressively during Lockdown knocked me back from Silver to Bronze to Blue. The upsides of keeping the benefits kept me on BA. Why should I bother now ?

The problem already exists that you get People trying to use airline X's lounge with a different FQTV clubs silver status when they are acrually flying airline Y on basic level FQTV with another alliance.

Hang around any Business class lounge entrance desk and you'll hear the arguments

[V_2]

Originally Posted by tictack67

The problem already exists that you get People trying to use airline X's lounge with a different FQTV clubs silver status when they are acrually flying airline Y on basic level FQTV with another alliance.

Hang around any Business class lounge entrance desk and you'll hear the arguments

not a problem that exists at LCY of course

[davidjohnson6]

Originally Posted by tictack67

The problem already exists that you get People trying to use airline X's lounge with a different FQTV clubs silver status when they are acrually flying airline Y on basic level FQTV with another alliance.

Hang around any Business class lounge entrance desk and you'll hear the arguments

You mean people try it on ? Shock horror !

[BA318]

In actual news the E195E2 is now certificated for LCY.

[pabely]

Originally Posted by BA318

In actual news the E195E2 is now certificated for LCY.

Which operator sponsored it, ie waiting in wings to use it - Or was it Embraer themselves?

[BA318]

Originally Posted by pabely

Which operator sponsored it, ie waiting in wings to use it - Or was it Embraer themselves?

Think Embraer did it. But KLM has mentioned before it will use it at LCY.

[jmdavies86]

Originally Posted by pabely

Which operator sponsored it, ie waiting in wings to use it - Or was it Embraer themselves?

It was Embraer themselves - they sent their demonstration E195-E2 aircraft over to LCY for the first time after the Farnborough Airshow last year.

[Lord Bracken]

Originally Posted by jmdavies86

Might the opening of the Elizabeth Line, which offers direct services from Abbey Wood to Heathrow in approx 60mins, also had a bit of an impact on the number of users choosing to fly from/to LCY as well...?

I doubt it. I can now get a direct train from my local LIz line station (a short bus ride away) to Heathrow Central in 49 minutes but if there is a flight available to the same destination from City (same bus, plus 15 minutes on the DLR) then I will always choose the latter due to the significantly superior airport experience (and I have a BA Gold card so can use all the LHR "frills" which IME are overcrowded and substandard compared to what they were like a few years back).

[nguba]

It's been reported that BA CityFlyer has taken LCY-DUS off sale for the summer 2024 season, which is most likely because it has been suspended. The structural shift in business travel is clearly hitting LCY hard.

Twitter

[BA318]

Originally Posted by nguba

It's been reported that BA CityFlyer has taken LCY-DUS off sale for the summer 2024 season, which is most likely because it has been suspended. The structural shift in business travel is clearly hitting LCY hard.

https://twitter.com/tofly_totravel/s...73275738394914

been mentioned elsewhere the E190 is possibly going back to the lessor.

[GLCYZ]

Originally Posted by BA318

been mentioned elsewhere the E190 is possibly going back to the lessor.

Cityflyer will have a reduced fleet over the summer as aircraft pass through the hangar for densification.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by GLCYZ

Cityflyer will have a reduced fleet over the summer as aircraft pass through the hangar for densification.

Desnification what now? The SCOPE clause preventing them operating jets over 100 seats was removed? Does this mean they can fly out of LHR/LGW?
They've dropped 6 x ER7s and 4 x ER9s since 2020 and I would guess the ER9s weren't planned to go before COVID?

[tictack67]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

Desnification what now? The SCOPE clause preventing them operating jets over 100 seats was removed? Does this mean they can fly out of LHR/LGW?
They've dropped 6 x ER7s and 4 x ER9s since 2020 and I would guess the ETjey aold9s weren't planned to go before COVID?

BA sold all 6 of their E170's by 2021

The increase in capacity of the remaining 20 x E190 to 106 will require an additional cabin crew member and this has been the delay, the business case otherwise they would have densifies sooner. extra 160 seats per flight for the whole fleet V cost of 20 cabin crew for the fleet per flight

[Downwind_Left]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

Desnification what now? The SCOPE clause preventing them operating jets over 100 seats was removed? Does this mean they can fly out of LHR/LGW?
They've dropped 6 x ER7s and 4 x ER9s since 2020 and I would guess the ER9s weren't planned to go before COVID?

To be correct though in the same timeframe, the 6 E170s (G-LCYD-LCYI) were replaced one-for-one by 6 E190s (G-LCAC-LCAH) and then after COVID 4 leased 190s returned to lessor. Your post suggests a net loss of 10 aircraft.

[cavokblues]

Interesting they're increasing the cabin size.

Due to their primary markets they're not know for flying with the heaviest load factor at times and they've struggled massively to recruit and retain cabin crew. Is it worth it?

[WHBM]

Originally Posted by tictack67

The increase in capacity of the remaining 20 x E190 to 106 will require an additional cabin crew member and this has been the delay, the business case otherwise they would have densifies sooner.

Bear in mind the additional 6 seats are only of value if actually sold, and not even then if they had to be sold off cheap, whereas the additional cabin crew member is a constant cost for all flights. It means overall cabin crew costs are up by 50%.

Given that the key current issue at LCY is LACK of demand on their mainstream business routes, I really can't see how the business case numbers might add up. My hunch is this has been determined by an academic accountant working on academic figures for cost and revenue, but we all thereafter have to sit with our knees up our noses..

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by Downwind_Left

To be correct though in the same timeframe, the 6 E170s (G-LCYD-LCYI) were replaced one-for-one by 6 E190s (G-LCAC-LCAH) and then after COVID 4 leased 190s returned to lessor. Your post suggests a net loss of 10 aircraft.

I did suggest the drop in ER9s was unplanned. The ER7 to ER9 upguage I do remember.

[tictack67]

Originally Posted by cavokblues

Interesting they're increasing the cabin size.

Due to their primary markets they're not know for flying with the heaviest load factor at times and they've struggled massively to recruit and retain cabin crew. Is it worth it?

I beg to differ, for a "business" airport in 11th Dec. they have great loads on nearly all their routes.

what gives you the impression they don't?

BA are only recruiting for Gatwick and have been only for the last few months. is that what you were thinking of.

[SealinkBF]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

Desnification what now? The SCOPE clause preventing them operating jets over 100 seats was removed? Does this mean they can fly out of LHR/LGW?
They've dropped 6 x ER7s and 4 x ER9s since 2020 and I would guess the ER9s weren't planned to go before COVID?

I wondered how long those lovely Embraer seats and legroom would last!

I also wonder if this to introduce a more obvious difference between CityFlyer Y and J seats.
No lounge at LCY, no middle seat and (currently) same legroom.