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Old 4th Feb 2023, 21:48
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lights etc are not that expensive.

leases would have to be agreed if they break these, but thatís not a massive issue if there is willing parties.
Lights might not be expensive, but when you put a sticker on them saying Ďaviationí they tend to become a hell of a lot more costly.

I think people are forgetting that everything has been switched off. To create an airport again will require a not insignificant amount of money and effort just to become a working airport again. Does DMBC have the cash for this? Think we already know the answer to that.
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Old 10th Feb 2023, 15:32
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Update from Nick Fletcher. Weekly meeting cancelled by DMBC due to nothing to report apparently. One nugget though, Peel have supposedly changed tack and may now not be terminating land leases, which I would take as a positive sign for the airport sale. Not confirmed though so who knows. Apparently a meeting happened between Peel and UAE based consortium on 3rd February, the same day DSAmole updated us on here.
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https://airspacechange.caa.co.uk/doc.../download/5365

Looks like LBA have applied to retain some of the DSA CTA and submitted the attached yesterday ahead of the proceedings to close the airspace with the delay to the procedure ending today.

Looks to me to be the Western side of the airspace they want to keep, and they have asked that the base altitude is increased from 4000ft to 4500ft in CTA 8 to not impact GA traffic in the area. As far as I can see there is nothing from Peel as yet to halt the airspace closure, I know Ros Jones submitted a request to hold off for 12 months but expect this has been rebuffed as there is no mention of it on the CAA webpage as of yet.

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Old 3rd Mar 2023, 18:47
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Does anyone have any idea why G-PACO landed at DSA today, it is the helicopter owned by Peel Holdings. It dropped someone off at DSA around 3:00 pm and then went to Gamston for some Fuel and then returned to DSA at 4:15pm. Does anyone have any more info ?
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Old 3rd Mar 2023, 20:26
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It’s a privately owned aircraft, landing on privately owned land. Why should that be public knowledge?
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maybe collecting the rent?
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Old 4th Mar 2023, 11:31
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Does anyone have any idea why G-PACO landed at DSA today
It was John Whittaker. Meeting briefly with a reclamation company and a lawyer.
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So what are they planning on reclaiming?
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Old 4th Mar 2023, 16:52
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All of it!
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https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news...months-4053178

Contrary to popular belief elsewhere, this link confirms there are no current active discussions with any interested investor regarding selling DSA. The UAE based party appears to have pulled out in November after Peel accepted an offer in principle.

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Old 9th Mar 2023, 07:38
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Heard a rumour that Peel maybe looking at a legal case against a certain Facebook Group admin and the misinformation and claims about Peel being made there.
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probably just putting the frighteners on - it would take forever, cost a fortune and have very limited effect except to drag the Peel Directors through the slime of social media reaction. Avoid!
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probably just putting the frighteners on - it would take forever, cost a fortune and have very limited effect except to drag the Peel Directors through the slime of social media reaction. Avoid!
Agreed, organisations like Peel will be adept at this sort of thing. On the surface they maintain a dignified silence, with the odd bit of vague information trickled out when required.

Thing is, I bet they would sell it if someone turned up with the right credentials and offered the right price. To this end there is no reason to doubt that no offers are forthcoming - regardless of what a group on Facebook might say. Whether this is due to the DMBC statements of intent to pursue a CPO or not remains to be seen, but with the DMBC budget having no mention whatsoever of anything relating to CPO then it looks doubtful that this is being pursued.

Company is being wound up in May.
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Old 9th Mar 2023, 09:12
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Ros Jones keeps bleating that the CPO would be for the land only, and apparently reading another forum, Peel do have plans to clear the hangars and terminal building. There seems to be a conflict of opinion of whether they need planning permission to do this - however given that the mayor keeps stating it will be for the land only means she is aware that the buildings won't be there much longer.

Also, Ros Jones has made no mention to the lease offer that Peel have made for a long time now - which tells you what you need to know,
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Ros Jones keeps bleating that the CPO would be for the land only, and apparently reading another forum, Peel do have plans to clear the hangars and terminal building. There seems to be a conflict of opinion of whether they need planning permission to do this - however given that the mayor keeps stating it will be for the land only means she is aware that the buildings won't be there much longer.

Also, Ros Jones has made no mention to the lease offer that Peel have made for a long time now - which tells you what you need to know,
They have tenants in the hangars so not sure why they would want to demolish those. The terminal could be repurposed. They also apparently have no current plans to remove the runway or hardstandings and have recently been renegotiating lease agreements with the landowners upon which the approach lights currently reside.

Iíve never been the biggest fan of Peel or their MO. However we do have to concede that they do get things built when they say they will (DSA would be a prison now where it not for their commitment), and I fully believe that they currently donít really know what to do with the site. My view being that a reasonably successful airport would have provided sufficient ROI with regards to land value in the vicinity of the airport, but they just cannot attract the airline/freight business they wanted to attract to make it viable. Perhaps some of the more financially fruitful uses for Gateway East would not sit well near an active airport? Who knows, but if nobody wants to buy it for the right price, Peel are not going to sell it. Letís face it, no airlines were beating a path to their door when it was open, so any attempts at growth in that sector would require a huge financial outlay from any would-be airport operator just to get them interested. Itís another thing ensuring that the seats get sold to sustain those flight and that there are enough passengers using the airport to generate revenue to cover the high and ever-increasing operating costs. DMBC of course should know all this if they have applied their own due diligence, which I suspect they have and may explain why there are no provisions in their budget for a CPO, not even the estimated £1.1million legal costs that Ros Jones shared in one of her updates late last year.
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They have tenants in the hangars so not sure why they would want to demolish those. The terminal could be repurposed. They also apparently have no current plans to remove the runway or hardstandings and have recently been renegotiating lease agreements with the landowners upon which the approach lights currently reside.

Iíve never been the biggest fan of Peel or their MO. However we do have to concede that they do get things built when they say they will (DSA would be a prison now where it not for their commitment), and I fully believe that they currently donít really know what to do with the site. My view being that a reasonably successful airport would have provided sufficient ROI with regards to land value in the vicinity of the airport, but they just cannot attract the airline/freight business they wanted to attract to make it viable. Perhaps some of the more financially attractive uses for Gateway East would not sit well near an active airport? Who knows, but if nobody wants to buy it for the right price, Peel are not going to sell it. Letís face it, no airlines were beating a path to their door when it was open, so any attempts at growth in that sector would require a huge financial outlay from any would-be airport operator just to get them interested. Itís another thing ensuring that the seats get sold to sustain those flight and that there are enough passengers using the airport to generate revenue to cover the high and ever-increasing operating costs. DMBC of course should know all this if they have applied their own due diligence, which I suspect they have and may explain why there are no provisions in their budget for a CPO, not even the estimated £1.1million legal costs that Ros Jones shared in one of her updates late last year.
If the CPO did go through, but didn't include any of the buildings - then what?
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Originally Posted by TimmyW View Post
Ros Jones keeps bleating that the CPO would be for the land only, and apparently reading another forum, Peel do have plans to clear the hangars and terminal building. There seems to be a conflict of opinion of whether they need planning permission to do this - however given that the mayor keeps stating it will be for the land only means she is aware that the buildings won't be there much longer.

Also, Ros Jones has made no mention to the lease offer that Peel have made for a long time now - which tells you what you need to know,
Knocking the buildings down will save a fortune in business rates. Unsure if other organisations own some of the hangars, or rent the land?

Either way someone will have to pay the government rates even when empty. Is there anything left in the hangars at DSA?
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Originally Posted by pug View Post
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news...months-4053178

Contrary to popular belief elsewhere, this link confirms there are no current active discussions with any interested investor regarding selling DSA. The UAE based party appears to have pulled out in November after Peel accepted an offer in principle.
I put a post on here almost a month ago saying they'd walked.

/startsarcasm Mr chadwick of Facebook has stated he has held his own talks with the UAE party.. maybe there's hope a local garage monkey can save the day. /endsarcasm

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I put a post on here almost a month ago saying they'd walked.

/startsarcasm Mr chadwick of Facebook has stated he has held his own talks with the UAE party.. maybe there's hope a local garage monkey can save the day. /endsarcasm
We on here know youíre a reliable source of info DSAmole, however when you have the admin of a group with an audience of 22000 controlling the narrative, even having a horses mouth quote feature on the Yorkshire Post isnít enough to dispel the myth making conspiracy theorists. Seems the YEP have joined the BBC, ITV, Peel, AMP Capital, MAG, Bristow, The Government, local MP, and Doncaster Council as enemies of Doncaster (and DSA)

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Is there anything left in the hangars at DSA?
2Excel still have their ops and office function in one of the hangars. Unsure of the others? Wasnít there an aviation NDT firm operating in one of them?
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