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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
EMA and MAN have significant public sector ownership, as do many other UK airports some of which are being supported with your money. At least one potential rival has received a further central government grant announced this week.
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
This is the only scenario I can see working, but where on earth would you find an operator that could attract that level of based a/c. You're talking a Leeds/Newcastle sized operation
LBA despite its well known operational limitations has taken the market that Doncaster would need to become a success, as has East Midlands to the south and of course to most people in Sheffield travelling to Manchester is just something they’ve always done and continue to do.
Unless the airlines and freight operators can be convinced that consolidating all operations at Doncaster at the expense of LBA and EMA is they way forwards then there really is no future in volume traffic from DSA. The fact that Doncaster doesn’t fit in to any easyjet growth strategy even though they have no base now between Luton and Edinburgh on this side of the country highlights the disappointing reality.
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MAG is a commercial business owned by local authorities. Correct me if I am wrong but I don't believe their owners have given MAN or EMA a blank cheque.
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In fairness to MAG, I can't recall any instance of them objecting to financial support for competing airports. And prior to the pandemic - which was exceptional for the entire industry - the local authorities in Greater Manchester routinely budgeted for receipt of a substantial annual dividend from MAG which they then used to pay for council commitments. The airport operator provided financial support to the local authority owners, not the other way around.
MAG did receive funds during the pandemic, but they will be expected to repay these as business recovers back to normal levels, and the owners will doubtless look forward to a resumption of generous dividend payments down the line.
MAG did receive funds during the pandemic, but they will be expected to repay these as business recovers back to normal levels, and the owners will doubtless look forward to a resumption of generous dividend payments down the line.
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Nobody else has mentioned blank cheques, just pointing out that MAG airports couldn't object to a publically owned, commercially run competitor airport.
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Originally Posted by TimmyW
There is zero chance of the council buying anything.
They don't even have enough funds to change the road signs from Town Centre to City Centre
They don't even have enough funds to change the road signs from Town Centre to City Centre
Capital spending to maintain the presence of regional significant infrastructure is a different ballgame.
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I suspect that changing such signs is low priority - plenty would criticise it as unnecessary spending.
Capital spending to maintain the presence of regional significant infrastructure is a different ballgame.
Capital spending to maintain the presence of regional significant infrastructure is a different ballgame.
Either way, they won't have the funds to take on any aspect of the airport.
" regional significant infrastructure "
Well that depends on how you define the Region - W Riding has an (just) vialable airport at Leeds, North has a major international airport at Manchester
If you mean "cottage industry" then yes Doncaster might creep onto the spreadsheet
Well that depends on how you define the Region - W Riding has an (just) vialable airport at Leeds, North has a major international airport at Manchester
If you mean "cottage industry" then yes Doncaster might creep onto the spreadsheet
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Ominously quiet from the DMBC mayor this week, only update seems to have been from Nick Fletcher MP. Baroness Vere updated him, no progress with talks apparently. Opposition council in Doncaster have asked for costs of the proposed leasehold and the Finance Cabinet member remained quiet.
Apparently Peel have had visitors from other airports this week looking to purchase various fixtures, fittings and equipment.
Apparently Peel have had visitors from other airports this week looking to purchase various fixtures, fittings and equipment.
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As I said before there is zero chance of the council taking over the lease of the site.
They have no funds. Oliver Coppard has said this week he's no longer involved in trying to save it, so there will no funds forthcoming from his pot.
I'm guessing this will quietly fizzle out. I also doubt the council will press ahead with a CPO.
Locally, other than the numpty car garage owner and his disciples who seems to think Doncaster has the ability to emulate Heathrow, everyone else has forgotten about the place already.
They have no funds. Oliver Coppard has said this week he's no longer involved in trying to save it, so there will no funds forthcoming from his pot.
I'm guessing this will quietly fizzle out. I also doubt the council will press ahead with a CPO.
Locally, other than the numpty car garage owner and his disciples who seems to think Doncaster has the ability to emulate Heathrow, everyone else has forgotten about the place already.
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Originally Posted by TimmyW
As I said before there is zero chance of the council taking over the lease of the site.
They have no funds. Oliver Coppard has said this week he's no longer involved in trying to save it, so there will no funds forthcoming from his pot.
I'm guessing this will quietly fizzle out. I also doubt the council will press ahead with a CPO.
Locally, other than the numpty car garage owner and his disciples who seems to think Doncaster has the ability to emulate Heathrow, everyone else has forgotten about the place already.
They have no funds. Oliver Coppard has said this week he's no longer involved in trying to save it, so there will no funds forthcoming from his pot.
I'm guessing this will quietly fizzle out. I also doubt the council will press ahead with a CPO.
Locally, other than the numpty car garage owner and his disciples who seems to think Doncaster has the ability to emulate Heathrow, everyone else has forgotten about the place already.
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High skilled, well paid jobs and Doncaster will never come into the same sentence, the idea that Peel will bring these to the site is just nonsense to try and soften the blow. The site will remain empty until 2035, then planning permission granted for houses/warehousing etc.
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Originally Posted by TimmyW
High skilled, well paid jobs and Doncaster will never come into the same sentence, the idea that Peel will bring these to the site is just nonsense to try and soften the blow. The site will remain empty until 2035, then planning permission granted for houses/warehousing etc.
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Originally Posted by davidjpowell
They will get their change of use before then. 2 years distant airport will be gone with no prospect of it coming back. Peel will then start campaigning for reallocation. Because it's previously developed land capable of providing homes and hosting employment businesses. Council may try and resist, but it’s hard to see by then how they can maintain it should only be used as aviation land (with no airport or use). Throw in some expensive court work and specialist planning Counsel, it’s only going one way.
DSASPOTTER, if you want a reply you need to clear your inbox.
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Originally Posted by pug
Unless Peel do sell it to someone who knows how to operate airports. It’s the only way the place will reopen now. With the flogging off of equipment though, it seems highly unlikely to be heading that way.
DSASPOTTER, if you want a reply you need to clear your inbox.
DSASPOTTER, if you want a reply you need to clear your inbox.
If it's stuff like fire engines that they are flogging (which is what I read), then a) Peel would look to sell them to whoever operates the airport I am sure and b) if they have flogged them, then I'm sure they are available elsewhere.
I don't see this is a major issue myself. It's more a sign of the intent I suppose.
