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Old 12th Aug 2022, 19:57
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Originally Posted by Vokes55 View Post
It wouldn’t be beneficial for anybody, because then they’d lose many of the hundreds of new recruits joining this Autumn who signed up to do long haul only out of LGW, many of whom were ex Norwegian long haul and applied for the trips to Antigua, Costa Rica and Orlando, not night Alicante or early Dalaman.

If they’re struggling to retain crew, they need to pay them more, not change the working agreement of another fleet.
I am not disputing what you say at all. I was just saying that previously the mixed fleet idea worked at Gatwick for years. That is why I said it would be difficult with the new set up.
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 21:46
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The mixed flying didn't work well according to management who recently claimed it made short haul loss making and only a new even cheaper and poorer contract was essential to drag the loss making operation into profitability......bottom line is BA have decades of losses at short haul LGW and every time all they do is cut and cut and cut.

Financial reporting is an art form but highly political, you can choose to make some parts look bad by adding ridiculous overheads to them, something Waterworld has form for doing when it suits their cost cutting agenda. Who remembers the new fleet renewal that ended up being used end of lease Wizz Air A320s? Maybe the B737-MAX will change all of that.... 🤣
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Old 13th Aug 2022, 07:30
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I am not disputing what you say at all. I was just saying that previously the mixed fleet idea worked at Gatwick for years. That is why I said it would be difficult with the new set up.
On paper it should be easier. The majority of crew are suited to either long haul or short haul based on their personal circumstances and would choose a fleet accordingly. If BA choose to pay their short haul cabin crew less than the competition in a post-Covid world of staff shortages across the industry, it's no wonder they're struggling to recruit and retain. BA think they can entice anyone with their brand name and staff travel, but the easyJet staff travel system is streets ahead for short haul travel, and the brand name's trashing was complete when they decided to throw the majority of their staff under the bus in one way or another during Covid.

Unfortunately, there's ample supply of Vueling, Iberia Express and Finnair aircraft and crew to plug the gap for the foreseeable future. No doubt they'll jump on the Smartlynx bandwagon if that supply ever runs dry. Anything but paying their own staff a fair wage.
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Old 13th Aug 2022, 10:10
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The mixed flying worked in terms of crew retention. The problem was the seasonality of the Gatwick short haul operation. Correct staffing during the summer season but more than required
during the winter season.
I doubt short haul made losses for decades. There were some good years and some bad years. As we know BA changed the story according to what they wanted to do at Gatwick.
I personally do not think the 737 max is intended for BA Euroflyer. I think we shall see A321 and A320 arrive from Heathrow as more A321 or A320neos are delivered to Heathrow. Always fine about being wrong.
From my contacts the AOC for Euroflyer should be fully in place later this year.
From November the airline will only be using its own metal from then on. To be honest setting up the 'new' base within 6 months was always going to be a tall order.
From the cabin crew of view I agree something needs to be done. The overall package needs to be more attractive.
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Old 15th Aug 2022, 19:06
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Some good news as Unite has agreed a new pay deal for staff across a number of workgroups:

https://www.theguardian.com/business...o-get-pay-rise
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Old 22nd Aug 2022, 19:49
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Another set of cancellations ?
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-62637616
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Old 14th Sep 2022, 23:49
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I had 2 of 3 flights cancelled by BA...

In other news, IS BA flying the A380 from London Heathrow to Vancouver in 2023 ? I`m planning a trip and would love to fly on the A380 again ( previously flew to YVR in 2018 on the A380 )

I`m thinking mid to late September - returning 2nd week of October 2023 to coincide with a cruise

Thanks
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Old 15th Sep 2022, 00:25
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Originally Posted by ib26uk View Post
I had 2 of 3 flights cancelled by BA...

In other news, IS BA flying the A380 from London Heathrow to Vancouver in 2023 ? I`m planning a trip and would love to fly on the A380 again ( previously flew to YVR in 2018 on the A380 )

I`m thinking mid to late September - returning 2nd week of October 2023 to coincide with a cruise

Thanks
When searching for flights on BA.com you can clearly see what aircraft is being used on any given flight. Just search for the date's that you are planning on flying and the flight information including the aircraft type is available to view.

But in saying that British Airways have been using the A380 from London Heathrow to Vancouver on flight BA84/85 since the 01 June 2022. British Airways are using the A380 from London Heathrow to Vancouver on a seasoned basis with the last flight departing London on the 25 September 2022. Thereafter the BA84/85 will be operated by Boeing 777.

Although your planned flights are not until 02 October 2023 I should imagine that the same schedule for the seasonal A380 flights to Vancouver will remain more or less the same as 2022.

​​​​​​But your best advice is to search under the flight information on BA.com.

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Old 15th Sep 2022, 00:35
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The CURRENT plan is to drop capacity on LHR-YVR down to a B777 and offer an additional service from LGW on a B777-200ER, so as of today, no A380 planned to YVR for next summer.
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