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Old 15th Jul 2022, 19:41
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It was Virgin that launched Islamabad in response to COVID-19. BA returned to Islamabad in 2019. There was a government press release when the route was announced so there was evidently a lot of conversations at high levels about BA returning to Pakistan.
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Old 20th Jul 2022, 22:46
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One branch of my family got caught by serious delays MAD-LHR on Friday 1st July.
  • They arrived at MAD 3.5hrs in advance but the queues were such that they had no time to get to the lounge.
  • At T5,they waited by the baggage belt for 2 hrs before being told that their two bags were lost. The bags arrived a few days later in two separate deliveries.
All this with their 7mth daughter. Fortunately, their daughter did not scream the place down (in either airport) but the wait for baggage was really tedious. Eventually Mum came out to where we were waiting in order to get to the car to feed her. BA agreed to pay the extra time the car was in the parking but - is there any redress?

Will BA just say, "The airport facilities are beyond our control?"
Any suggestions? Thanks.
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Old 2nd Aug 2022, 09:23
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So BA suspends ticket sales for domestic and European flights for a week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62386909

i need to fly to Dublin, do I change to IAG partner EI, just load shifting? In July dumped by BA used Italair? Another flight from Barcelona BA use Iberia aircraft. Not a flag carrier anymore.
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Old 2nd Aug 2022, 13:26
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So BA suspends ticket sales for domestic and European flights for a week.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62386909

i need to fly to Dublin, do I change to IAG partner EI, just load shifting?
London City is rolling along fine.
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Old 2nd Aug 2022, 15:43
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London City is rolling along fine.
Albeit now swamped with all those needing short notice London trips.. good luck
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Old 3rd Aug 2022, 07:19
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BA domestic woes

BA domestic woes London Airport....

Apart from using LCY why not try SOU - they are offering a good and increasing choice of UK Domestic flights and to Eire and the C.I.
(and a great choice of BACF sunshine and leisure routes choice at weekends to France, Faro, Mykonos and Spain/Balearics. (also a BACF Edinburgh)

Only an hour on the train or less to SOU Parkway station from WATERLOO, Clapham Jctn and WOK.
3 minute walk to check-in or security - Check-in times no more than 1 hour or less.
Car Park is also superb and across the road from Terminal - Just off the M3 and M27.

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Old 3rd Aug 2022, 08:03
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount View Post
Albeit now swamped with all those needing short notice London trips.. good luck
Not my current experience.
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Old 3rd Aug 2022, 10:01
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Not my current experience.
Peak surely still to come…
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Old 9th Aug 2022, 12:50
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Has BA Euroflyer started flying pax commercially yet, or is there a date when this is expected to start ? Late March 2023 ?
AFAIK, BA Euroflyer hasn't started yet and there seems to be no clear date as to when it will start in a substantive way

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Old 9th Aug 2022, 14:55
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Aircraft are still on the mainline AOC and FD crews are using the BA/BAW "Speedbird" callsigns and IATA codes. Are the wheels in motion to even have a separate AOC or was it just a play to trash working conditions at BA LGW for 327th consecutive time to remain "competitive" whilst still tied to Waterworld's accounting procedures? Cabin Crew who have joined seem to be leaving in droves for greener grass elsewhere.
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Old 9th Aug 2022, 22:31
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Schedule updates are currently being run for the winter season at Gatwick. GVA, LYS and SZG returning for the winter. AGP, AMS, DBV, NCE, RAK and VRN are extended into the winter as well.
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Old 10th Aug 2022, 08:36
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot View Post
Cabin Crew who have joined seem to be leaving in droves for greener grass elsewhere.
And who can blame them. Lots of good friends there, operating upwards of 26 sectors a month for £1400, with a non existent management team who promote only their pals from Norwegian and are only heard from when they are dishing out overtime emails.
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Old 10th Aug 2022, 08:58
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While I was moaning, a lot, EF, for flight crew at least, had stabilised significantly, my roster going forward doesn’t contain half as many consecutive 12+ hour duty duties. I feel like we are pushing in the right direction. Although with a new DFO joining from our wonderful pink and purple competitors I can only hope it doesn’t change, friends of mine over there don’t speak too highly.
I have to agree with the Cabin Crew however, they are where I believe the problem will lie, they are flocking out of the door, many just quitting flying all together, and they are being replaced by inexperienced crew who in turn leave when they realise there is no glamorous layover in Santorini and they have to clean the aircraft and come back. The salary is abysmal and isn’t exactly doing much in terms of retention. Things will have to change sharpish. But that’s just my two cents.
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 21:23
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Please see my schedule updates for BA Gatwick Long Haul and BA Euroflyer Gatwick Short Haul that I have posted on the Gatwick Thread. Information was gained from online timetable, analysts and airline sources.

Regarding BA Euroflyer, I do hope they can sort the cabin crew issues soon. In terms of flight operations the short haul operation from Gatwick has been very stable in recent weeks with no unplanned cancellations.

To be fair to BA recruitment it does say clearly in the job adverts that I have seen that BA Euroflyer is a point to point airline with crew returning to base each day, late evening, early morning etc... I totally agree the salary is a sticking point. However again that is clearly stated in the adverts. I am not defending just saying!
This is the same for Easyjet Gatwick based Cabin Crew (apart from a handful of overnight stays)

One possible solution could be to recreate the Gatwick Fleet again for Cabin crew. However, I doubt this is possible with two brands (Mainline and Euroflyer) operating from Gatwick. Just a thought. At least the crew would then have a wider range of destinations and possible stopovers.

For some cabin crew, especially those with families the idea of returning to base at the end of each shift appeals. I also believe part-time and seasonal patterns are offered which also suits some people. I spoke to a cabin crew member when flying to Cyprus earlier this summer with BA Euroflyer and it was for family reasons (the return to base) she returned to Gatwick to work for Euroflyer. Cabin crew are also entitled to discounted travel over the whole BA network. EEK! I am sounding like an apologist, sorry! I just think that people need to do their research and make sure they fully appreciate what is involved before applying. I still agree though that the salary needs to be looked at.

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Old 11th Aug 2022, 22:34
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BA are absolutely struggling with the new operation from LGW with cabin crew I am afraid to say !!

Most of the operation is being operated by LHR crew being bussed down to LGW , night in a hotel then operating 2/3 days of flights from LGW staying in a hotel at LGW then back up to LHR at the end of the trip




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Old 11th Aug 2022, 22:37
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BA are absolutely struggling with the new operation from LGW with crew I am afraid to say !!

Most of the operation is being operated by LHR crew being bussed down to LGW , night in a hotel then operating 2/3 days of flights from LGW staying in a hotel at LGW then back up to LHR at the end of the trip
Are you talking about Cabin Crew here?
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 10:50
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BA brought in mixed short haul and long haul flying for cabin crew at Gatwick back in 2006, which was a precursor to Mixed Fleet at Heathrow. Now Gatwick has gone back to separate short and long haul cabin crew fleets...
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BA brought in mixed short haul and long haul flying for cabin crew at Gatwick back in 2006, which was a precursor to Mixed Fleet at Heathrow. Now Gatwick has gone back to separate short and long haul cabin crew fleets...
Yes absolutely. Personally I feel a return to something similar may be beneficial but difficult with the new set up.
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 17:32
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To be fair to BA recruitment it does say clearly in the job adverts that I have seen that BA Euroflyer is a point to point airline with crew returning to base each day, late evening, early morning etc..
Interesting that BA CityFlyer at London City is the opposite, they make extensive use of night stops, because that's what a significant part of their market is, business travel to London early morning, returning evening. The one hour time difference between UK and mainland Europe exacerbates this.
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Old 12th Aug 2022, 19:33
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Originally Posted by vectisman View Post
Yes absolutely. Personally I feel a return to something similar may be beneficial but difficult with the new set up.
It wouldn’t be beneficial for anybody, because then they’d lose many of the hundreds of new recruits joining this Autumn who signed up to do long haul only out of LGW, many of whom were ex Norwegian long haul and applied for the trips to Antigua, Costa Rica and Orlando, not night Alicante or early Dalaman.

If they’re struggling to retain crew, they need to pay them more, not change the working agreement of another fleet.
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