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I suggest part of Jet2 success, certainly up north, was the demise of TCX & MON. TUI, via their German masters were very slow to react but with fingers in many pies across Europe, their focus is not always UK.
Interesting thanks.
Britannia Airways from 1992 was to be 22 all new 757-204 G-BYAC - G-BYAY
G-BYAM was not a BY order, and was leased from Monarch, and also G-BXOL, both to 1999
(G-BYAG lost at Gerona SEPT 1999)
The BY 757 had 235 seats
The first BY 757's were 3 from Air Holland, with another one brand-new from Icelandair, and all 4 were leased to BY in full livery from 1991 for a number of years.
7 mostly new 767-204ER were in the fleet, plus 3 older 767-204.
These all had 290 seats (250 for the Oz flights)
Quite a few 737-204 and 737-204 ADV remained in the fleet until 1993/94
From 1996 the new larger 767-304ER fleet joined, and this was to be 10 aircraft G-OBYA - G-OBYJ
G-OBYK was not a BY order, but an original Air 2000 order in 1999, G-OOAL.
The 767-304ER had 328 seats.
So in Summer 1999 the fleet was 24 x 757, 10 x 767-304ER, and 7 x 767-204ER
= 41 Heavies with Britannia Airways.
Britannia Airways from 1992 was to be 22 all new 757-204 G-BYAC - G-BYAY
G-BYAM was not a BY order, and was leased from Monarch, and also G-BXOL, both to 1999
(G-BYAG lost at Gerona SEPT 1999)
The BY 757 had 235 seats
The first BY 757's were 3 from Air Holland, with another one brand-new from Icelandair, and all 4 were leased to BY in full livery from 1991 for a number of years.
7 mostly new 767-204ER were in the fleet, plus 3 older 767-204.
These all had 290 seats (250 for the Oz flights)
Quite a few 737-204 and 737-204 ADV remained in the fleet until 1993/94
From 1996 the new larger 767-304ER fleet joined, and this was to be 10 aircraft G-OBYA - G-OBYJ
G-OBYK was not a BY order, but an original Air 2000 order in 1999, G-OOAL.
The 767-304ER had 328 seats.
So in Summer 1999 the fleet was 24 x 757, 10 x 767-304ER, and 7 x 767-204ER
= 41 Heavies with Britannia Airways.
It's a very difficult question to answer because of the mergers, acquisitions and failures which have taken place in this sector in the timeframe being discussed. What was Britannia 25 years ago - Britannia, Britannia + Air 2000, Britannia + Air 2000 + Leisure International?
The best I could come up with from 1997 CAA stats and setting Palmair Flightline and Sabre to one side (apologies to anyone offended, more likely by Palmair than Sabre!):
TUI
Air 2000 - 4 x A320, 12 x 757 with 4.2 million passengers
Britannia - 18 x 757, 6 x 767-200, 3 x 767-300 with 7.5 million passengers
Leisure International - 2 x A320, 1 x A321, 2 x 767-300 with 1.2 million passengers
Total of 48 aircraft and 12.9 million passengers
Thomas Cook
Airtours - 10 x A320, 7 x 757, 3 x 767-300 with 4.7 million passengers
Airworld - 5 x A320/321 with 0.7 milion passengers
Caledonian - 3 x A320, 6 x TriStar, 1 DC10-30 with 1.6 million passengers
Flying Colours - 1 x A320, 6 x 757 with 1.1 million passengers
Total of 42 aircraft and 8.1 million passengers
Monarch
4 x A300, 5 x A320, 1 x A321, 6 x 757, 1 x DC10-30 - Total of 17 aircraft with 4.4 million passengers
With the huge growth of easyJet since that time, it's also even more difficult to make any meaningful comparisons. I suppose if you added Thomas Cook and Monarch together and assumed that equalled Jet2 today (albeit in nothing other than size, not by lineage - unlike the Britannia comparison) then you'd conclude Jet2 and TUI should be about the same size with TUI ahead by a whisker. But the only thing you can say with any certainty is that over a timescale of 25 years, it's incredibly difficult and subjective to draw proper comparisons!
The best I could come up with from 1997 CAA stats and setting Palmair Flightline and Sabre to one side (apologies to anyone offended, more likely by Palmair than Sabre!):
TUI
Air 2000 - 4 x A320, 12 x 757 with 4.2 million passengers
Britannia - 18 x 757, 6 x 767-200, 3 x 767-300 with 7.5 million passengers
Leisure International - 2 x A320, 1 x A321, 2 x 767-300 with 1.2 million passengers
Total of 48 aircraft and 12.9 million passengers
Thomas Cook
Airtours - 10 x A320, 7 x 757, 3 x 767-300 with 4.7 million passengers
Airworld - 5 x A320/321 with 0.7 milion passengers
Caledonian - 3 x A320, 6 x TriStar, 1 DC10-30 with 1.6 million passengers
Flying Colours - 1 x A320, 6 x 757 with 1.1 million passengers
Total of 42 aircraft and 8.1 million passengers
Monarch
4 x A300, 5 x A320, 1 x A321, 6 x 757, 1 x DC10-30 - Total of 17 aircraft with 4.4 million passengers
With the huge growth of easyJet since that time, it's also even more difficult to make any meaningful comparisons. I suppose if you added Thomas Cook and Monarch together and assumed that equalled Jet2 today (albeit in nothing other than size, not by lineage - unlike the Britannia comparison) then you'd conclude Jet2 and TUI should be about the same size with TUI ahead by a whisker. But the only thing you can say with any certainty is that over a timescale of 25 years, it's incredibly difficult and subjective to draw proper comparisons!
Whatever they've called themselves and whatever they fly and whoever they borrow them from, TUI is but a shadow of what was Britannia Airways. What would Derek Davison, Bob Parker-Eaton et al make of it all ?
I had on purpose, not included the Nordic destined 737-800's as they were not long in the UK operation,and I was really just looking at the main BY fleet for around 1999, but thank you for pointing them out.
As for the 767-204ER's they had AFAIK -
G-BPOB G-BRIF G-BRIG G-BYAA G-BYAB G-BNYS
also did they still have at that time (late 1990's) 767-204s G-BNCW G-BKPW G-BKVZ (not ER) ?
Air 2000 (AMM) who had by 1999 just taken over Leisure International's fleet too, giving them a total of four 767-300ER's (AMM had cancelled the UKL order for four new A330-200) then the combined fleets would be vastly bigger, but that would all come in later years.
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Just got an email from Tui saying that my flight to Egypt is now with somebody called GO2SKY,I have never heard of them plus the holiday change says South terminal and e ticket says North terminal.
I flew on an elderly 737-8 of GO2SKY, although the flight was late and the cabin needed a rub down with a damp cloth the crew were excellent.
My lady friend who is blind flew with me and received first class service from one stewardess, found them to be friendlier and more pleasant than a lot of BA crews.
My lady friend who is blind flew with me and received first class service from one stewardess, found them to be friendlier and more pleasant than a lot of BA crews.
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I flew on an elderly 737-8 of GO2SKY, although the flight was late and the cabin needed a rub down with a damp cloth the crew were excellent.
My lady friend who is blind flew with me and received first class service from one stewardess, found them to be friendlier and more pleasant than a lot of BA crews.
My lady friend who is blind flew with me and received first class service from one stewardess, found them to be friendlier and more pleasant than a lot of BA crews.
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Looking at their fleet the one that’s operating for TUI currently is a former TUI group frame so probably has their older interior anyway and by the looks of it it’s in full TUI livery
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At the start of 2023, there were various announcements that Southwind would fly between the UK and Turkey for TUI. Clearly this fell through. I can think of various reasons why it might not have happened, but is anybody with good knowledge of this able to say the reason why it didn't happen ?
Yes, I'm aware of the owner of Pegas Touristik (as well as Nordwind and Southwind) setting up a new travel agency for UK-Turkey flights in 2024. Yes, I also know that Southwind are flying between Germany and Turkey. Yes, I also know that Southwind has a somewhat unusual background, but I don't want to put words in the mouth of whoever answers my question.
Yes, I'm aware of the owner of Pegas Touristik (as well as Nordwind and Southwind) setting up a new travel agency for UK-Turkey flights in 2024. Yes, I also know that Southwind are flying between Germany and Turkey. Yes, I also know that Southwind has a somewhat unusual background, but I don't want to put words in the mouth of whoever answers my question.
allnamestaken1, hello, looking back it was a 737-4 OM-GTA, we flew back from Lanzarote to either Bristol or Birmingham in 2016.
I am sure it will be fine, just be thankful it is not Avion Express.
I am sure it will be fine, just be thankful it is not Avion Express.
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While the comparisons with Jet2 are being discussed, I think a comparionson between the ACMI carriers and operations used by the two needs to be mentioned.
The 3 AirExplore frames working for Jet2 at EMA have not had a single sector land more than 45 minutes after scheduled in the last week.
The 2 smartwings frams at BHX have 1 late sector in the last week between them.
The 2 Airtankers and 1 World2Fly at MAN have had 1 sector in the past week land an hour late.
The 2 Titans at STN have been late twice.
Meanwhile just look at the flight records of any TUI ACMI frame and it'll be full of late departures and arrivals, cancelled flights and tech issues.
All aircraft being used by LS (except the World2Fly A330 which has avery comfortable interior anyway) are fitted out with the jet2 cabin, basic Jet2 livery, and are fully crewed by Jet2 staff in passenger facing roles (with ACMI carrier crew in the flightdeck). To the layman, the experience and product provided is virtualy indistiguishable, and typically reliable. The carriers chosen by LS to provide flights on their behalf are clearly of a much better standard, and a little bit of extra investment from LS to put their own award winning product and bodies on board the aircraft will pay off 10 fold with happy customers returning, while TUIs will be more likely put off.
The 3 AirExplore frames working for Jet2 at EMA have not had a single sector land more than 45 minutes after scheduled in the last week.
The 2 smartwings frams at BHX have 1 late sector in the last week between them.
The 2 Airtankers and 1 World2Fly at MAN have had 1 sector in the past week land an hour late.
The 2 Titans at STN have been late twice.
Meanwhile just look at the flight records of any TUI ACMI frame and it'll be full of late departures and arrivals, cancelled flights and tech issues.
All aircraft being used by LS (except the World2Fly A330 which has avery comfortable interior anyway) are fitted out with the jet2 cabin, basic Jet2 livery, and are fully crewed by Jet2 staff in passenger facing roles (with ACMI carrier crew in the flightdeck). To the layman, the experience and product provided is virtualy indistiguishable, and typically reliable. The carriers chosen by LS to provide flights on their behalf are clearly of a much better standard, and a little bit of extra investment from LS to put their own award winning product and bodies on board the aircraft will pay off 10 fold with happy customers returning, while TUIs will be more likely put off.
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While the comparisons with Jet2 are being discussed, I think a comparionson between the ACMI carriers and operations used by the two needs to be mentioned.
The 3 AirExplore frames working for Jet2 at EMA have not had a single sector land more than 45 minutes after scheduled in the last week.
The 2 smartwings frams at BHX have 1 late sector in the last week between them.
The 2 Airtankers and 1 World2Fly at MAN have had 1 sector in the past week land an hour late.
The 2 Titans at STN have been late twice.
Meanwhile just look at the flight records of any TUI ACMI frame and it'll be full of late departures and arrivals, cancelled flights and tech issues.
All aircraft being used by LS (except the World2Fly A330 which has avery comfortable interior anyway) are fitted out with the jet2 cabin, basic Jet2 livery, and are fully crewed by Jet2 staff in passenger facing roles (with ACMI carrier crew in the flightdeck). To the layman, the experience and product provided is virtualy indistiguishable, and typically reliable. The carriers chosen by LS to provide flights on their behalf are clearly of a much better standard, and a little bit of extra investment from LS to put their own award winning product and bodies on board the aircraft will pay off 10 fold with happy customers returning, while TUIs will be more likely put off.
The 3 AirExplore frames working for Jet2 at EMA have not had a single sector land more than 45 minutes after scheduled in the last week.
The 2 smartwings frams at BHX have 1 late sector in the last week between them.
The 2 Airtankers and 1 World2Fly at MAN have had 1 sector in the past week land an hour late.
The 2 Titans at STN have been late twice.
Meanwhile just look at the flight records of any TUI ACMI frame and it'll be full of late departures and arrivals, cancelled flights and tech issues.
All aircraft being used by LS (except the World2Fly A330 which has avery comfortable interior anyway) are fitted out with the jet2 cabin, basic Jet2 livery, and are fully crewed by Jet2 staff in passenger facing roles (with ACMI carrier crew in the flightdeck). To the layman, the experience and product provided is virtualy indistiguishable, and typically reliable. The carriers chosen by LS to provide flights on their behalf are clearly of a much better standard, and a little bit of extra investment from LS to put their own award winning product and bodies on board the aircraft will pay off 10 fold with happy customers returning, while TUIs will be more likely put off.
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While the comparisons with Jet2 are being discussed, I think a comparionson between the ACMI carriers and operations used by the two needs to be mentioned.
The 3 AirExplore frames working for Jet2 at EMA have not had a single sector land more than 45 minutes after scheduled in the last week.
The 2 smartwings frams at BHX have 1 late sector in the last week between them.
The 2 Airtankers and 1 World2Fly at MAN have had 1 sector in the past week land an hour late.
The 2 Titans at STN have been late twice.
Meanwhile just look at the flight records of any TUI ACMI frame and it'll be full of late departures and arrivals, cancelled flights and tech issues.
All aircraft being used by LS (except the World2Fly A330 which has avery comfortable interior anyway) are fitted out with the jet2 cabin, basic Jet2 livery, and are fully crewed by Jet2 staff in passenger facing roles (with ACMI carrier crew in the flightdeck). To the layman, the experience and product provided is virtualy indistiguishable, and typically reliable. The carriers chosen by LS to provide flights on their behalf are clearly of a much better standard, and a little bit of extra investment from LS to put their own award winning product and bodies on board the aircraft will pay off 10 fold with happy customers returning, while TUIs will be more likely put off.
The 3 AirExplore frames working for Jet2 at EMA have not had a single sector land more than 45 minutes after scheduled in the last week.
The 2 smartwings frams at BHX have 1 late sector in the last week between them.
The 2 Airtankers and 1 World2Fly at MAN have had 1 sector in the past week land an hour late.
The 2 Titans at STN have been late twice.
Meanwhile just look at the flight records of any TUI ACMI frame and it'll be full of late departures and arrivals, cancelled flights and tech issues.
All aircraft being used by LS (except the World2Fly A330 which has avery comfortable interior anyway) are fitted out with the jet2 cabin, basic Jet2 livery, and are fully crewed by Jet2 staff in passenger facing roles (with ACMI carrier crew in the flightdeck). To the layman, the experience and product provided is virtualy indistiguishable, and typically reliable. The carriers chosen by LS to provide flights on their behalf are clearly of a much better standard, and a little bit of extra investment from LS to put their own award winning product and bodies on board the aircraft will pay off 10 fold with happy customers returning, while TUIs will be more likely put off.