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Old 28th Jun 2022, 06:48
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wouldn’t have had any fuel in it for a flight to BVC.
Understood - many of our routes were longer hence centre fuel was always a factor.
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 07:58
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https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news...g-24337140.amp

Now making the mainstream media.
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 09:18
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For all those that buy a TUI package holiday that obviously has some form of premium pricing in it, you might like to be aware that the Company is holding a gun to the head of all its pilots in its latest pay deal offering.

The proposal is that without a "Yes" vote, then TUI will subcontract 28 airframes for next summer (7 this year) to be operated by third party carriers like SmartLynx and reduce the UK fleet by approx 15 airframes. It is the Aviation equivalent of the P&O Ferries debacle at the start of the year, sack UK crews and replace with cheaper Eastern European labour. And, yes, that is what the pay deal talks about, vote yes or fleet reduction and pilot redundancies.

So just beware that paying that price for a TUI holiday could very well soon mean flying on some third party flying, whose tech reliability this summer has been woeful

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Old 28th Jun 2022, 09:25
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Originally Posted by Smudge's Lot View Post
For all those that buy a TUI package holiday that obviously has some form of premium pricing in it, you might like to be aware that the Company is holding a gun to the head of all its pilots in its latest pay deal offering.

The proposal is that without a "Yes" vote, then TUI will subcontract 28 airframes for next summer (7 this year) to be operated by third party carriers like SmartLynx and reduce the UK fleet by approx 15 airframes. It is the Aviation equivalent of the P&O ship debacle at the start of the year, sack UK crews and replace with cheaper Eastern European labour. And, yes, that is what the pay deal talks about, vote yes or fleet reduction and pilot redundancies.

So just beware that paying that price for a TUI holiday could very well soon mean flying on some poorly maintained/unknown pilot qualifications third party flying.
While I share your annoyance / irritation with the TUI management stance, and agree with your comparison with P&O Ferries (important to add the "ferries" bit) the allegations regarding maintenance and pilot qualifications of EU carriers is probably a little below the belt. Of course if TUI were to look to third party carriers registered in shall we say less well regulated jurisdictions then your concerns may have some merit.

This sort or corporate behaviour is unacceptable, but sadly they will probably get away with it, unless the CAA takes umbridge and refuses the third party carriers licences to operate on TUI's behalf.
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 09:39
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Edited to avoid offending.
But the threat remains
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 09:43
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But the threat remains
Your amendment seems entirely justified, and technical reliability has been a feature of third party flying for some years now with these carriers. Thinking about it going back to the era of Scandinavian TriStar operators it was back then too.

If they carry this through with their threat what would TUI with the spare aircraft currently with / allocated to UK? One assumes they'd be shifted to the EU where they wouldn't even try to get away with such a stunt.
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Your amendment seems entirely justified, and technical reliability has been a feature of third party flying for some years now with these carriers. Thinking about it going back to the era of Scandinavian TriStar operators it was back then too.

If they carry this through with their threat what would TUI with the spare aircraft currently with / allocated to UK? One assumes they'd be shifted to the EU where they wouldn't even try to get away with such a stunt.
Edited because I should check the date on linked articles I post.

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Old 28th Jun 2022, 09:51
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Smudge - I hate to say this... but like the manufacture of sausages, as long as it's not made too obvious when booking (ie hidden in the smallprint), on short haul I don't think most pax from the UK really care about flying TUI UK v Smartlynx, at least until there is a crash and people die.
Easyjet seem to be using SmartLynx and I haven't noticed many complaints in the press about it
Easyjet were using Smartlynx for domestic German flights 4 years ago... very little fuss or noise was generated over this

Perhaps not the message that TUI employees want to hear... but life is not always fair

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Old 28th Jun 2022, 09:52
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According to the travel news, TUI Germany is going from 37 aircraft to 17, with the loss of 700 flight crew jobs.

https://www.breakingtravelnews.com/n...alling-demand/
That article is dated 2020?
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 10:42
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Not a good start today for TUI at DSA. 4 flights can’t leave, allegedly due to airport power cut. 2 flights left now but the 4 afternoon flights will also be several hours late.
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 12:59
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Originally Posted by NickBarnes View Post
That article is dated 2020?
Good spot!
I just saw 19th June. Ignore that then, I’m talking rubbish.
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 13:35
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Looks like CS-TST of Euroatlantic 767 that has been flying for TUI at LGW for a while,is on its way to help out at MAN later today
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TUI are having a tough time of it at the moment. The problem is they do not have any competition on their long haul packages to the likes of Mexico and caribbean. Yes you can fly via Europe or the States but how many families really want the hassle, especially from places like Manchester.

As Mexico and the like continue to rise in popualrity what are the chances of another operator (Jet2 springs to mind using leased equipment) getting interested in operating a few rotations a week? We go to Mexico a couple of times a year and would love the opportunity of booking flight only and sorting our own accomodation out.
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 19:21
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Have a look at the companies that have tried competing in these markets and where they are now...
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 05:59
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Tui 767 Refit

Hi Everyone
i know this os totally off subject, but would anyone know where the cabin refit was taken place for G-OBYF?
Thanks
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 07:07
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TUI are having a tough time of it at the moment. The problem is they do not have any competition on their long haul packages to the likes of Mexico and caribbean. Yes you can fly via Europe or the States but how many families really want the hassle, especially from places like Manchester.

As Mexico and the like continue to rise in popualrity what are the chances of another operator (Jet2 springs to mind using leased equipment) getting interested in operating a few rotations a week? We go to Mexico a couple of times a year and would love the opportunity of booking flight only and sorting our own accomodation out.
I have to agree with you. We’ve visited Mexico a few times and will try Cape Verde shortly. Both are captive TUI markets with no competition. Would love to see an
alternative.

I guess Cape Verde is more likely than Mexico but given many hotels are TUI/RIU; it won’t be easy for someone to come in and try their hand.

Thankfully, Jet2 are doing a great job in terms of offering and service to the main European resorts.
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 13:59
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For all those that buy a TUI package holiday that obviously has some form of premium pricing in it,
I don't really see TUI as a premium package. That's Jet2, surely ...
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 15:02
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There was a time I thought TUI were reputable but they have become so unreliable, customer service is dire (try calling them !) and I now avoid. LS (and even FR) now much more dependable. I had a really unpleasant experience recently (3rd in a row and albeit on a Sunwing a/c). Flight was very late (no apology or indeed mention of it), dirty and crew (CWL based I think) looked a mess and were completely disinterested. I hope Jet2 expand further in the U.K. to offer a better choice. Sad really, they were once OK. BTW they were not cheap either.
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 15:27
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Jet2 have been just as bad, if not worse out of some airports, particularly Bristol and Birmingham and especially on the weekends. Not that you’d hear about that here though.
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 15:52
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I know Jet2 halve been hit too - but - they answer their phones and appear to give a damn. Sadly my experience with TUI is the Polaris opposite - I appreciate (being in the industry) how difficult it is at the moment but the way you handle things makes a big difference. I would love to know the difference between TUI and Jet2 NPS scores at the moment. Anyway my money will be going to Jet2 going forward - I feel at least they seem to care about their guests.
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