TUI airways-2

[tourops]

Originally Posted by ManUtd1999

It has been obvious for a while (since at least January) that travel restrictions would be lifted this summer. It should not have been a surprise to a tour operator that people want to go on holiday for the first time in two years.

At what point can a case be made that TUI (and many other travel operators) were selling tickets that they had no realistic hope of being able to deliver?

I don't think TUI or any other operators knowingly sold holidays and flights that they had no realistic hope of providing. Back on 28 January the TUI UK press office were trumpeting that they were ready for a bumper booking weekend, with an underlying message that seemed to say 'book now or lose out'. Thinking that they had a few months to recruit and train up people probably didn't seem unreasonable but suddenly we are at the start of summer and for whatever reason those new recruits haven't materialised. Is there some delay getting security checks done for airside personnel ? After being largely left high and dry during the pandemic have people turned to more secure forms of employment ? Much like the hospitality industry are people not interested in starting work at silly o'clock for not much more than the minimum wage and, in many cases, on a short-term 3 or 4 month contract ?

[Mr @ Spotty M]

GAXLN,
Not laughed so hard for ages with your comments on MPs.
No idea what planet you are on, but for decent, honourable politicians.
When you find some be sure to let the world know.

[alfaaloop]

Originally Posted by Snr

You're right. The Industry has for too long relied on workers love of aviation to get away with ever eroding T&Cs, and with the forced break and change over the past two years, many are realising it's just not worth it. Personally, I'm early enough in my career that I was always going to come back, but if I was closer to retirement I may have thought twice about 3am alarms, working evenings and weekends, missing life events, no last minute leave requests, delays, disruption etc etc....

You’ve hit the nail on the head there. My aviation career began over 30 years ago, starting on the ramp, working alongside guys with 20 years service! It was a well paid job but companies come and go, always with lower Ts and Cs than the previous until we get where we are now. Even the love of aviation doesn’t cut it when you can’t pay the bills( or keep your eyes open after the 6th 3AM start in a row). Options outside aviation are plentiful with better lifestyle and reward than is currently offered unfortunately.

[VickersVicount]

Passengers to a certain extent are to blame now for complaining about 4hr flights costing more than £100. You can barely buy decent trainers for that price.

[NickBarnes]

Originally Posted by alfaaloop

You’ve hit the nail on the head there. My aviation career began over 30 years ago, starting on the ramp, working alongside guys with 20 years service! It was a well paid job but companies come and go, always with lower Ts and Cs than the previous until we get where we are now. Even the love of aviation doesn’t cut it when you can’t pay the bills( or keep your eyes open after the 6th 3AM start in a row). Options outside aviation are plentiful with better lifestyle and reward than is currently offered unfortunately.

Exactly this, my friend was cabin crew as covid hit and was made redundant. So he had to retrain as something else. He chose to train as a HGV Class 1 driver and now says he would never go back. He was earning 25k per year as cabin crew, required to work weekends, bank holidays, early mornings and late at night, long delays, rude pax etc. Now he works Mon - Fri, starts at 7am scheduled to finish at 5pm sometimes goes onto 6pm but is paid overtime rate if he does. Always off Saturday and Sunday and all Bank Holidays. I realise not all HGV jobs are like that and he is lucky to pick up one with that schedule but also he is now on 35k a year 10k more than previously, with evenings and weekend's with his wife/children and loves it, the best thing he said aswell is job stability he doesn't have to worry the same as he did before. So I think my point is listening to his experience, you can imagine a lot of people have found the grass is greener outside aviation and this is a problem now facing the sector not just TUI but all airlines unfortunately.
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[CabinCrewe]

Meanwhile forgetting their current misadventures, TUI to launch LGW-Dakar Senegal from Nov 22. Nice long trek on a cramped 737.

[azz767]

Hi Fly operating the MAN - CUN today, I’m assuming to give SE-RFZ a chance to get back on schedule after leaving at least 4-5 hours late all week and not being able to catch up.

[SJL26779]

G-TUIO is operating today's NCL - MLB which is a 789. NCL is usually a 788.

[pabely]

Originally Posted by CabinCrewe

Meanwhile forgetting their current misadventures, TUI to launch LGW-Dakar Senegal from Nov 22. Nice long trek on a cramped 737.

Just a shade more than Marsa Alam (RMF) before they fell out with the airport, but if there was unfavourable winds they could drop into Hurghada for a splash & dash.
I don't think anyone else does the route non stop so might pick up some flight only demand on this route.

[ROC10]

Originally Posted by pabely

Just a shade more than Marsa Alam (RMF) before they fell out with the airport, but if there was unfavourable winds they could drop into Hurghada for a splash & dash.
I don't think anyone else does the route non stop so might pick up some flight only demand on this route.

Not as far as Banjul in The Gambia which they operated throughout W21/22 from MAN and LGW on the 737.

[P330]

How does it compare to Cape Verde which is also often ran on 737s?

[pabely]

Originally Posted by P330

How does it compare to Cape Verde which is also often ran on 737s?

You are correct, Cape Verde is further.
Bring back the 757s!

[SALENO]

Returned yesterday from Chania to Manchester on Privilege Style B757. Superb flight and better than any previous TUI and always nice to be back on the 757. The aircraft was smart and the crew very professional and aided by 2 TUI crew for the service. Flight also on time which we were surprised about and bags even on the belt by the time we got to the arrivals hall. The piles of bags around the hall however highlighted the ongoing issues. Hope things start to improve for everyone as some of the horror stories we heard in resort were horrendous.

[JKKne]

I had the dreaded email today for one of my flight only bookings. Ominous important information email header

Turns out it was to advise me of an aircraft change to a 737 (which I was always flying on which is confusing!) but on a plus I was able to secure the back row (which I know some hate but I really enjoy)

my old heart nearly gave way at that email header tho

[WHBM]

It's one thing cancelling people's outwards bookings at the last minute, but what about those coming home on the aircraft's return flight ? Are they being left high and dry in the resorts ?

[Vokes55]

Originally Posted by WHBM

It's one thing cancelling people's outwards bookings at the last minute, but what about those coming home on the aircraft's return flight ? Are they being left high and dry in the resorts ?

No. Ferry flights have been going out all week to take people home on their original schedules.

Unlike easyJet and Wizzair.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...94211.html?amp

[WHBM]

Originally Posted by Vokes55

No. Ferry flights have been going out all week to take people home on their original schedules.

So why on earth are the outbound "ferry flights", presumably fully crewed for the return, not taking passengers outbound ?

[Vokes55]

Originally Posted by WHBM

So why on earth are the outbound "ferry flights", presumably fully crewed for the return, not taking passengers outbound ?

Because they’ve cancelled certain flights for the month to stabilise the rest of the program at Manchester and if they take passengers today they’ll need to pick them up next week.

[humpy123]

Can anyone give any information regarding the TUI flights out of Dublin. Flights are been delayed constantly and cancelled last minute, is it the fault of smartlynx or is it ground crew problems.

[CabinCrewe]

what maintenance ‘business’ does TUI have at PIK.. seems to be a regular throughput and a 737 stuck there. Would have thought TUI would do all their own bigger adhoc maintenance at LTN. A new role for PIK?