Stansted-4

[Sotonsean]

Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1

It is indeed a long shot, since they cancelled their XLR order a couple of months ago.

To be honest I was totally unaware of the fact that Frontier Airlines had cancelled their order for the A321XLR. I did a quick search online and found out that they had cancelled the order on the 06 August 2024. I don't know how I had overlooked that information.

But I appreciate that you pointed it out 👍

[SealinkBF]

Department of Transport confused by Stansted and Stanstead.

[Sotonsean]

Originally Posted by SealinkBF

Department of Transport confused by Stansted and Stanstead.

You would have at least expected the Department for Transport to have spell checked their summary before it was published.

Ever since the 1970s when the debate for the third London airport was always in the news I have always hated it when Stansted is incorrectly described as Stanstead 😡

In saying that there has been numerous occasions of Stansted also being incorrectly spelled in these threads.

[Alsacienne]

Sotonsean, that doesn't surprise me in the slightest. All my GOV.UK emails arrive after any possibly interesting meetings have been held, and today I received the GOV.UK mailing about the delay to the introduction of the EES system .... at least a week after it had been revealed on the front pages of the UK press, and a fortnight or so after they'd sent me a mailing to remind me that this was definitely going to happen on 10 November. I do hope that 2025 calendars appear as part of presents for the forthcoming Christmas/Diwali/Hanukkah/Yule and any other celebrations that happen between now and 2025 ....

[FRatSTN]

S25 now fully loaded for SunExpress including new route to Kayseri (ASR) begining 1st July 2025 operating 1x weekly. Peak S25 schedule for SunExpress:
Adana/Mersin COV - 1x weekly
Antalya AYT - 10x weekly
Dalaman DLM - 5x weekly
Gaziantep GZT - 2x weekly
Izmir ADB - 7x weekly (daily)
Kayseri ASR - 1x weekly

AJet also on sale for S25 and appears they've dropped AYT but continue with 3x daily Istanbul SAW and 4x weekly Ankara ESB.

Pegasus continue same frequency to SAW along with AYT and ADB remaining daily, plus DLM at 4x weekly and ESB 3x weekly.

Corendon continue 3x weekly AYT plus their new 2x weekly ADB.

Jet2 will be 12x weekly to each AYT and DLM, 4x weekly BJV and 3x weekly ADB.

TUI is showing 3x weekly DLM - 2x on own metal, 1x TBC carrier (most likely either Freebird as was this summer, or blocked seats on SunExpress)

Plus Ryanair UK have added BJV and DLM both at 2x weekly starting in December. Currently nothing available for S25 but this may still be added.

Overall it's yet a further increase for the Turkish market on this summer.

[AirportPlanner1]

Feels like this is probably at or near the peak of the bubble for Turkey, don’t think that level is sustainable with other London airports also seeing multiple airlines and additional frequencies over last couple of years.

Not surprised Ajet has canned AYT.

I believe this is the first route to Keyseri from the UK although it has been well served for some time from other European countries including by TUI. It serves Cappadocia so could be of interest to tourists along with VFR.

[LGS6753]

Turkey will continue to expand at the expense of EU countries due to EU visa requirements, increased costs and value for money.

[JW95]

Jetbridges

Just wondering, how many jet bridges are now serviceable and in use at STN these days? I think all at sat 1 are serviceable, however, which ones are still in use at sat 2? (as the majority have been out of use for some time). Someone on wiki has mentioned the airbridges for gates 30, 32 and 33 are still usable, but unsure if this is correct? (I thought the one for gate 37 was still in service as well).

Given that sat 2 is set to undergo major refurbishment and gate area reconfiguration, I wonder if MAG have any plans to bring any of the currently out-of-service jet bridges back into use?

[USER0005]

Originally Posted by LGS6753

Turkey will continue to expand at the expense of EU countries due to EU visa requirements, increased costs and value for money.

I really don't see €6.00 per adult passenger is a particularly big deterent to travel. The UK scheme is rather more expensive.

Turkey will grow in popularity if it offers the right product at the right price. I do wonder though just how much more growth there will be. The Turkish economy is seemingly constantly on a knife edge with high inflation and a perenial basket case of a currency. The house of cards could collapse in short order and if it did the tourism bubble might burst as a result.

[FRatSTN]

ACL S25 Initial Co-Ordination Summary

Rather dissapointing outlook at this point it must be said.

Transavia we know about. They have 274 slots across the season to service Rotterdam starting 3 April 2025. Interestingly Transavia France have requested 840 slots (equivelent to 2x daily) to service Paris-Orly from LHR and LGW. None have been allocated as of intial co-ordination at LHR and only 480 of them have been given a slot at LGW, though many of those are off-slot, including 12.5% of them that are more than 2 hours from their requested time. If they were intent to start Paris-Orly from London then surprising to see STN not intially requested for those.

Likewise Sun Express have a good increase and most of this is public knowledge and already on sale.

Ryanair is hard to tell exactly what's changed. They always tend to hoard a load of slots and hand them back at the January deadline. From what I can tell it looks as though they may be slightly heading towards the 2019 model again of more away-based turns arriving in the morning 07:00-08:00 period but that could easily change. There are 1,260 slots for WAW (around 3x daily) which is almost certaintly Ryanair, so looks like there could be an intention to move WMI to WAW. However, ACL also manage WAW slots and would look at this point Ryanair haven't secured those slots there, which could preclude that.

BA City Flyer looks interesting. They go to 16 weekly (8 rotations p/wk) over the weekends from WC 12th May with seemingly 4 E190's nightstopping Saturday night into Sunday. That's around double what they did in S24. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see this come to fruition.

EasyJet very typically nothing exciting. Looks as though AMS will see a slight frequency reduction but appears 2 more domestic rotations per week for most of the season on a Wednesday and Thursday with the odd time changes. Currently they appear to be retaining more domestic frequency over the peak summer from late June to early September compared to S24, but will have to see if this actually happens. As a personal note I'm amazed they don't do a Paris route as that's a glaring gap they could easily operate with minimal competion.

Jet2 looks largely similar with definitely 17 based aircraft required. It would seem based simply on the initial co-ordination that STN wouldn't likely serve any LTN W's but that's not to say it can't change of course given this is fairly recent news.

Pegasus, AJet and Corendon all showing increases. I'd imagine most are speculative and may or may not happen. Pegasus currently are holding for up to 11 rotations a day which is 2 or 3 more than at peak in S24. Corendon almost always hold additional slots then never use them.

Turkish mainline (ie not AJet) have slots for a nightstopper 73H, which they've also applied for at LGW. I beleive they're operating this now at LGW for the current winter schedule so would seemlingly be trying to retain this for summer. In any case I think we'd be very unlikely to see this at STN.

Same goes for Royal Air Maroc and Air Algerie. These are clearly a back-up for extra LGW/LHR capacity. Royal Air Maroc have requested 86 slots (3x weekly) at both LGW and STN for Casablanca. None at LGW have been allocated whilst STN has been but more than hour from their requested time. Air Algerie is for an A330 operating 2x weekly on Wednesdays and Thursdays which is a weird allocation in any case. They however don't appear to had requested LGW and given they operated STN for a period during 2022, it would seem STN is at least their preference for any LHR overspill they might want to put in.

Aurigny have an increase in slots though as pretty much confirmed by themselves, STN will be unlikely to operate at all in S25.

Of course, all of this is heavily subject to change, much of it likely already has since the initial co-ordination. They'll continue to be removals and indeed possible additions, but as always is good to see the potential interest from airlines at this stage.

[Sotonsean]

With regards to the previous post #1450

Air Algérie as expected have now confirmed London Stansted. Great to see another airline at STN and especially it being another national flag carrier.

The schedule means that an Air Algérie Boeing 73H/Airbus A330, Emirates Boeing 777-300 and Royal Jordanian Airways Airbus A320/Boeing 788 will all be together at STN Satellite 1 at the same time.

Who will be next at STN 🤔

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/241225-ahns25

[TinkerTyler]

Is Indigo Actually A GoGo

It has long been thought that indigo wanted to bring its Delhi service to Stansted but never seemed like it would actually happen, it however looks like they maybe one step closer with it going to be announced Norse going to lease frames to service a India to UK service.

[Sotonsean]

Originally Posted by TinkerTyler

It has long been thought that indigo wanted to bring its Delhi service to Stansted but never seemed like it would actually happen, it however looks like they maybe one step closer with it going to be announced Norse going to lease frames to service a India to UK service.

And where exactly does it state Stansted.

IndiGo are potentially leasing six Boeing 789 aircraft from Norse Atlantic Airways so that they can bring forward their planned flights to Europe. IndiGo has stated that London and Paris will be the airlines first two destinations in Europe. IndiGo are also trying to bring forward the delivery dates of their Airbus A350's.

I personally would like to see IndiGo announce London Stansted, but IndiGo might well look to London Gatwick instead. With Norse Atlantic already at LGW with a ground team already in place, it would be an obvious candidate. IndiGo, on the other hand, would be a great addition to London Stansted and another step in the right direction regarding additional long-haul airlines.

[FRatSTN]

Originally Posted by Sotonsean

And where exactly does it state Stansted.

IndiGo are potentially leasing six Boeing 789 aircraft from Norse Atlantic Airways so that they can bring forward their planned flights to Europe. IndiGo has stated that London and Paris will be the airlines first two destinations in Europe. IndiGo are also trying to bring forward the delivery dates of their Airbus A350's.

I personally would like to see IndiGo announce London Stansted, but IndiGo might well look to London Gatwick instead. With Norse Atlantic already at LGW with a ground team already in place, it would be an obvious candidate. IndiGo, on the other hand, would be a great addition to London Stansted and another step in the right direction regarding additional long-haul airlines.

They were looking to launch from STN in 2019/20 but came to the conclusion they needed wide-bodies before considering a London route. At the time they had only secured very sub-optimal slots at LGW hence STN became their intention. Then of course Covid happened and with Air India also launching what turned out to be a very short-lived STN-BOM route probably factored into their thinking as well. This time round the prospects could be very different and LGW could well be their choice after all. MAG will certainly want to sell the STN business-case being strategically located between London and the biomedical sciences through the Cambridge South development, but in the end IndiGo will choose where they see the highest yield potential.

[Sotonsean]

Originally Posted by FRatSTN

They were looking to launch from STN in 2019/20 but came to the conclusion they needed wide-bodies before considering a London route. At the time they had only secured very sub-optimal slots at LGW hence STN became their intention. Then of course Covid happened and with Air India also launching what turned out to be a very short-lived STN-BOM route probably factored into their thinking as well. This time round the prospects could be very different and LGW could well be their choice after all. MAG will certainly want to sell the STN business-case being strategically located between London and the biomedical sciences through the Cambridge South development, but in the end IndiGo will choose where they see the highest yield potential.

I'm aware of IndiGo originally looking at STN prior to the covid pandemic and their allocation of slots at LGW. Obviously I'm also aware of Air India previously serving STN from ATQ and BOM. I'm sure your agree that it's a shame that STN lost Air India.

But this time round with IndiGo potentially leasing six Boeing 789 from Norse Atlantic it seems more likely than they would be using LGW over STN.

That's my opinion anyway.

But personally I would like to see IndiGo announce STN. I think that STN would be a good option for IndiGo. It would also mean that STN would gain another long haul airline to it's airline portfolio and one with direct service to India. IndiGo would probably want to operate from DEL, NMI and possibly BLR.

If and when the CAA eventually lifts their ban on Pakistani airlines just as the EU recently has, perhaps at some point, STN might see the likes of Airblue from ISB.

[FRatSTN]

Originally Posted by Sotonsean

I'm aware of IndiGo originally looking at STN prior to the covid pandemic and their allocation of slots at LGW. Obviously I'm also aware of Air India previously serving STN from ATQ and BOM. I'm sure your agree that it's a shame that STN lost Air India.

But this time round with IndiGo potentially leasing six Boeing 789 from Norse Atlantic it seems more likely than they would be using LGW over STN.

That's my opinion anyway.

But personally I would like to see IndiGo announce STN. I think that STN would be a good option for IndiGo. It would also mean that STN would gain another long haul airline to it's airline portfolio and one with direct service to India. IndiGo would probably want to operate from DEL, NMI and possibly BLR.

If and when the CAA eventually lifts their ban on Pakistani airlines just as the EU recently has, perhaps at some point, STN might see the likes of Airblue from ISB.

I don't think they'd automatically favour LGW purely on the basis of leasing Norse aircraft. That will have little if any weighting on their decision making in my view, unless that's specifically part of the negotiation between the airlines. It would be on the basis of competetion and yield and, I loath to say it, perception and prestigiousness. Of course, I'm nonthewiser than anyone else what their outlook would be on that. I would like to see them at STN, and think that STN is ready to take more of this kind of business as a bedrock to their transformation programme, but I'm equally as dubious and could see them quite plausibly favouring LGW.

With regards to Pakistan, as I mentioned a month or two back, this is something MAG may well accommodate if they were approached, but is not likely one of their key targets for long-haul growth. MAG will be concentrating it's commercial effort on solid business cases for Middle East, India, China, Far East and US traffic where there's a more diverse and premium market. Take Air Algerie as the recent example, they're penciling in STN ops for this summer purely on the basis they haven't secured slots for certain days of the week at LHR. If they were rewarded those they'd almost certainly not be looking in STN's direction. I'm still not convinced we'll actually see them operating though STN this summer. If they get rewarded all the slots they've requested at LHR in due course (ie after slot handback) there's virtually no doubt they'll take them up.

[AirportPlanner1]

Just to note - Air India’s STN-BOM route was specifically launched as a temporary solution at very short notice. It allowed them an immediate start before their additional LHR slots became available in the summer, following the earlier collapse of Jet Airways. Of course, what was to be a few months sadly became only a few weeks due to Covid.

Thought this worth pointing out, as it was not a spoiler for prospective Indigo intentions and neither was it an example of ‘failure’ of STN re long-haul.

[Sotonsean]

Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1

Just to note - Air India’s STN-BOM route was specifically launched as a temporary solution at very short notice. It allowed them an immediate start before their additional LHR slots became available in the summer, following the earlier collapse of Jet Airways. Of course, what was to be a few months sadly became only a few weeks due to Covid.

Thought this worth pointing out, as it was not a spoiler for prospective Indigo intentions and neither was it an example of ‘failure’ of STN re long-haul.

I was going to mention the story behind Air India BOM-STN in my previous post but I didn't feel the need to do so. I assumed others were aware, plus I didn't really want to digress in my post. So thanks for sharing that information so others are aware 👍

Although it does make you wonder though if it wasn't for covid, if Air India would had stayed at STN 🤔

[pamann]

With Indigo launching service to Manchester, this would be the perfect opportunity for a wider deal to include Stansted. Fingers crossed.

[FFHKG]

The NW has no direct services to India whilst the SE and the Midlands already does. They are clearly looking at a market where there is no existing competition.