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[Planeraz]

NCL runway is more than 200m shorter than EDI at 2329.. My understanding is EDI runway isn’t long enough to accommodate an A380. A fully loaded A380 requires a runway min 3000m. The answer for NCL is no. Taxiway widening/strengthening and parking would also be a major issue. Taxiway width would certainly be an issue at EDI.

[Sk1schoolsam]

Originally Posted by Planeraz

NCL runway is more than 200m shorter than EDI at 2329.. My understanding is EDI runway isn’t long enough to accommodate an A380. A fully loaded A380 requires a runway min 3000m. The answer for NCL is no. Taxiway widening/strengthening and parking would also be a major issue. Taxiway width would certainly be an issue at EDI.

Many thanks for that info. Never thought at any point we would see an A380 at EDI because of the runway length anyway. Let’s remain positive and hope that EK do start back, but hopefully not at the expense of Qatar.
Maybe one day in the next year or two we may see double daily’s return.

[GoEDI]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Just going back to those EK slots, if the EDI figure equates to a 5 weekly 777, what is happening with those NCL figures - well over double??

When you crunch the numbers, the NCL slot application reflects a year on year increase from 4x weekly W21, to 2x daily W22 on 2x class B77W. Whether that's what ends up operating remains to be seen. They're perhaps keeping their options open, as that would represent a huge capacity increase across EDI/GLA/NCL region in one hit. The World Cup could be a consideration for them though...

[Planeraz]

With regards to EDI, given the increasing demand to travel post pandemic, how much of a factor if any is the rivalry between Emirates and Qatar? EK entered the EDI market to try and push QR out. It didn’t work out that way. QR have remained loyal to EDI and are established. EK will certainly be taking notice of QR’s current high load factors. QR went double daily for a period. An attempt on their part to test the competitors commitment to EDI? Is the EDI market big enough to satisfy both? Will be interesting times ahead.

[CabinCrewe]

Originally Posted by Planeraz

EK entered the EDI market to try and push QR out.

Not sure that was the case at all. QR and EK operate from a number of destinations simultaneously. Its more getting in on the action and grabbing some of the pie. I’ve a feeling if EK wanted to they could obliterate QR if they so desired. The numbers on EK at EDI were variable at best, but had EK persisted, a slow creep would have eventually overtaken QR and with a shift in pax.

[Asturias56]

I’ve a feeling if EK wanted to they could obliterate QR if they so desired."

Politically the Emir won't allow that - QR are a National Asset. everyone in the Gulf remembers Gulf Airways and how they all moaned and bitched that it was biased towards someone (everyone) else

​​​​​​​And at current gas prices Qatar ca n run an airline using cash left over in the rounding error on the National Budget spreadsheet

[tictack67]

Originally Posted by Asturias56

I’ve a feeling if EK wanted to they could obliterate QR if they so desired."

Politically the Emir won't allow that - QR are a National Asset. everyone in the Gulf remembers Gulf Airways and how they all moaned and bitched that it was biased towards someone (everyone) else

And at current gas prices Qatar ca n run an airline using cash left over in the rounding error on the National Budget spreadsheet

I think EK/QR are taking traffic that would normally go via LHR and AMS/CDG with the chaos there and BA using A319 during Edinburgh festival in August on first wave.

​​​​​​​That's Why Lufthansa now have a morning departure on several days a week

[CabinCrewe]

Originally Posted by tictack67

I think EK/QR are taking traffic that would normally go via LHR and AMS/CDG with the chaos there and BA using A319 during Edinburgh festival in August on first wave.

That's Why Lufthansa now have a morning departure on several days a week

Curious for BA to be using A319s when there are at least 5 stored A320s sitting taped up, but maybe they have less cabin crew and ease staffing issues.

[Planeraz]

Originally Posted by CabinCrewe

Curious for BA to be using A319s when there are at least 5 stored A320s sitting taped up, but maybe they have less cabin crew and ease staffing issues.

Agree it certainly appears to be staffing issues. Certainly not a lack of demand. Most of the red eye going out to LHR and inbound in August appear to be sold out already. The few economy seats that remain are priced crazy high. As much as £331 one way. If only their was a competitor on the LHR route. It wasn’t all that long ago that BA used and filled a 763 at certain times. Had the resources been in place now, I’m pretty sure they could fill additional 21N or a 788, particularly in peak summer season. Not going to happen it would appear.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Also a cap on how many seats they can sell ex LHR as the airport operator has capped movements and demanded operators sell fewer seats. No, really.

[Albert Hall]

There are still 18 A321ceo aircraft in storage in Spain but I don’t think you’ll see those at LHR any time soon.

[willy wombat]

There is no way EK could obliterate QR even if they wanted to. To quote someone (I can’t remember who) it would be like having a bleeding contest against a blood bank.

[Planeraz]

Originally Posted by Link Kilo

Some QR aircraft changes in September: https://aeroroutes.com/eng/220711-qrsep22edi

Qatar making more changes to aircraft operating on certain days. The reported 773 operations appear to have changed and revert to a 359. They’re also replacing 359 with a 788 on certain days in Sept. 788 daily from 2nd October. The 351 still showing as operating on 13th Sept.

[Wycombe]

Originally Posted by Albert Hall

There are still 18 A321ceo aircraft in storage in Spain but I don’t think you’ll see those at LHR any time soon.

4 or 5 of these a/c (the G-EUXx and G-MEDx 321s) have returned to service over the last few months (a quick check on FR24 shows 4 of them airborne as I type)

[Asturias56]

Originally Posted by willy wombat

There is no way EK could obliterate QR even if they wanted to. To quote someone (I can’t remember who) it would be like having a bleeding contest against a blood bank.

"There is no way EK could obliterate QR even if they wanted to. To quote someone (I can’t remember who) it would be like having a bleeding contest against a blood bank."



People don't realise that Dubai has very little oil & gas - its a trading hub - whereas Qatar has a substantial portion of the world's useable, shippable, natural gas reserves...... which at the moment is not a bad place to be

[Albert Hall]

Originally Posted by Wycombe

4 or 5 of these a/c (the G-EUXx and G-MEDx 321s) have returned to service over the last few months (a quick check on FR24 shows 4 of them airborne as I type)

I stand corrected. Wasn’t expecting that based on what I’d been told but yes, some of them are indeed back and at LHR.

[Rutan16]

Originally Posted by Albert Hall

I stand corrected. Wasn’t expecting that based on what I’d been told but yes, some of them are indeed back and at LHR.

Five of the EUX range of 231 models have resumed operations so far.

None of the ex BMED/BMI aircraft have resumed operation to-date although MEDU has pinged occasionally.

Careful miss identifying the A320 In the ex BMED/BMI series- one G-MEDK is in service as are all the ex BMI G-MID. series

More of the EUX. Frames may return however I expect the three mid haulers may not !

[OntimeexceptACARS]

I see that N17139, United B752 has been on the ground for a few days, preumably tech. Anyone know the reason? Awaiting engine change, fuselage damage?

[CabinCrewe]

The combination of routes and delays /tech aircraft issues to/from EDI this summer have been atrocious. Would certainly make you think twice about using. Significant delays the norm rather than exception. The ontime performance of trunk routes ex LHR meanwhile seem much better which is surprising.

[Asturias56]

"The ontime performance of trunk routes ex LHR meanwhile seem much better which is surprising."

Its the same everywhere and regular LHR users don't think its good at all...................