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400m RVR on R20 on the 2050 weather probably has something to do with it. 375m on the 1950s, cleared briefly and then back to 400m RVR on the 2050s so clearly floating in and out. All three of the morning wave ended up in Bristol last Tuesday in similar conditions. I don't think an easy 320 will do any better!
Think this morning's NCL disruption was crew-related but no airline can fix weather below minima.
Think this morning's NCL disruption was crew-related but no airline can fix weather below minima.
Surely it would have landed only if the RVR improved OR their landing CAT was higher than the diverting Loganair. If easyJet did knock Loganair out of SOU, do you think they'd offer business friendly day returns on EDI/GLA/NCL? I don't, but that said, a once daily might be all that's needed nowadays? Views?
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Surely it would have landed only if the RVR improved OR their landing CAT was higher than the diverting Loganair. If easyJet did knock Loganair out of SOU, do you think they'd offer business friendly day returns on EDI/GLA/NCL? I don't, but that said, a once daily might be all that's needed nowadays? Views?
It would be a real shame if they were to end up being bullied/priced out on the routes by EZY leaving the airport with inconvenient schedules, regardless of how loud some of the cries may be about the cost of Loganair fares. See some of the BHX, BRS and even LGW domestics on some days for an example of how poor the timings can be on EZY with no competition to worry about!
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It looks as though the viz dropped last night, lifted, then dropped again in the space of an hour. Not unheard of but not an everyday occurrence either.
The other issue will be holding fuel. Take stacks of it, you’ll be over your IFLD calculation for landing (particularly on a wet runway) at SOU if you do happen to get straight in. You tend to be limited in what you can carry so a couple of runs round the hold then divert will be about the norm. And obviously if the RVR is below minima, there’s no point wasting what fuel you have by initiating an approach that you cannot complete.
The other issue will be holding fuel. Take stacks of it, you’ll be over your IFLD calculation for landing (particularly on a wet runway) at SOU if you do happen to get straight in. You tend to be limited in what you can carry so a couple of runs round the hold then divert will be about the norm. And obviously if the RVR is below minima, there’s no point wasting what fuel you have by initiating an approach that you cannot complete.
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It looks as though the viz dropped last night, lifted, then dropped again in the space of an hour. Not unheard of but not an everyday occurrence either.
The other issue will be holding fuel. Take stacks of it, you’ll be over your IFLD calculation for landing (particularly on a wet runway) at SOU if you do happen to get straight in. You tend to be limited in what you can carry so a couple of runs round the hold then divert will be about the norm. And obviously if the RVR is below minima, there’s no point wasting what fuel you have by initiating an approach that you cannot complete.
The other issue will be holding fuel. Take stacks of it, you’ll be over your IFLD calculation for landing (particularly on a wet runway) at SOU if you do happen to get straight in. You tend to be limited in what you can carry so a couple of runs round the hold then divert will be about the norm. And obviously if the RVR is below minima, there’s no point wasting what fuel you have by initiating an approach that you cannot complete.
I hope LM stay at SOU but they have had a monopoly and not really done much as a result. Upgrading the cabins of the 145s is a real shortsighted decision for me. They have no business operating in Europe any more despite being very quick. I don’t really understand why LM are getting quite a few newish ATR-72s and then putting them on the silly Scottish only routes that can’t justify a 70 odd seater plane. If they are deemed too slow for the SOU routes then they should be replacing the 145s with larger embrears. Even tinpot Eastern have got 4 of them now.
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God, don’t let anyone hear you say “silly Scottish only routes”. That’s heresy.
Some of those routes do have passenger volumes to justify the ATR72.
The jet can do four rotations a day to Southampton in the time it takes the ATR to do three. The question is whether frequency or capacity is the right answer.
The 145 refit is the right answer as the airframes are low cost but need to look the part for passengers. Same as Jet2 still flying some 737-300s. They have a job to do, so need to maintain a standard to do it. Cost of a new aircraft with all of the crew training and transitions costs versus refitting what you already have are in two different worlds.
Some of those routes do have passenger volumes to justify the ATR72.
The jet can do four rotations a day to Southampton in the time it takes the ATR to do three. The question is whether frequency or capacity is the right answer.
The 145 refit is the right answer as the airframes are low cost but need to look the part for passengers. Same as Jet2 still flying some 737-300s. They have a job to do, so need to maintain a standard to do it. Cost of a new aircraft with all of the crew training and transitions costs versus refitting what you already have are in two different worlds.
Wow! Is this for real? What a ludicrous thing to say. Aside from a morning and evening day return option, what exactly more do you want? If "lower fares" then you cannot get that from Loganair on their business model, easyJet will give you that, but likely not at business friendly times....Loganair operate on fairly thin margins but have been around for 60 years. Not splashing the cash on shiney new toys with ZERO ROI will hopefully see them to 70. It's not glamorous, but it is what it is.
Even tinpot Eastern have got 4 of them now.
Eastern's association with the Embraer fleet is suspect to say the least!
Talking of which, has the latest Eastern thread been removed, or has a glass of Scotland's finest impaired my search skills?
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Yet E190 G-CLYU has yet to operate a revenue service since being delivered 23 Oct.
Eastern's association with the Embraer fleet is suspect to say the least!
Talking of which, has the latest Eastern thread been removed, or has a glass of Scotland's finest impaired my search skills?
Eastern's association with the Embraer fleet is suspect to say the least!
Talking of which, has the latest Eastern thread been removed, or has a glass of Scotland's finest impaired my search skills?
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Another award for Loganair
LOGANAIR is celebrating winning yet another award after having been named Domestic Airline of the Year by the Scottish Passenger Agents’ Association (SPAA).
It follows hard on the heels of being named Airline of the Year for 2023 by the European Regions Airline Association (ERA) just three weeks ago.Airline boss Jonathan Hinkles said the announcement marked the end of a successful year for the airline, during which Loganair also scooped the Regional Airline of the Year award at the CAPA (Centre for Aviation) Aviation Awards for Excellence.
“Winning the SPAA Domestic Airline of the Year award for the second year in a row is a tremendous achievement, and it’s a testament to the hard work and dedication of our incredible team,” Hinkles said.
https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2023/11/0...ents-and-more/
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Loganair to end Inverness to Birmingham and Dublin flights next year
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That’ll be news to NATS and BHX!
It looks to me as though there is a requirement to reduce costs, and focus on profitable parts of the business, perhaps because having failed to sell the it, it needs to be made more attractive a proposition before a new attempt to shed it to new owners.
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If change is needed, I don't think it really matters who your owners are or aren't. Costs going up all over the place like ground handling, engineering spares and the NATS stuff mean some routes will just stop working as the income won't cover the inflated costs.
If routes don't cover costs, you don't fly them. ABZ - OSL will most likely be back in the Summer Season next year. You don't use profitable routes to cover non profitable ones either.
And the standard of those services is not improving either.
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Might we see EI (Emerald) at INV?