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Is it backed up by the CAA stats?
It was discussed in the Southampton thread. It's hard to extrapolate the Glasgow stats as to who is winning that battle. A modest increase in pax numbers considering the additional capacity and only anecdotal evidence otherwise with people saying easyJet's look full when boarding and others saying easyJet are averaging about 100 pax.
Similar with Edinburgh - Southampton. November's figures were 15% down year on year but for most of the year the differences are marginal when compared year on year, with the summer months actually being higher. Ryanair's Edinburgh- Bournemouth started in April, didn't it?
So I would say, at the moment there isn't much evidence to prove either way on Glasgow, but Edinburgh seems to be holding up pretty well.
It was discussed in the Southampton thread. It's hard to extrapolate the Glasgow stats as to who is winning that battle. A modest increase in pax numbers considering the additional capacity and only anecdotal evidence otherwise with people saying easyJet's look full when boarding and others saying easyJet are averaging about 100 pax.
Similar with Edinburgh - Southampton. November's figures were 15% down year on year but for most of the year the differences are marginal when compared year on year, with the summer months actually being higher. Ryanair's Edinburgh- Bournemouth started in April, didn't it?
So I would say, at the moment there isn't much evidence to prove either way on Glasgow, but Edinburgh seems to be holding up pretty well.
Because Logan flights go to the places when people want to go there for business and come home again. EZY and RYR don't. And our poster hasn't even mention another LM base that isn't even looked at by the sharks. Seems the poster has a grudge against LM.
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I'm only a passenger and not an airline expert, but to me it feels that LM have exactly the right equipment in the shape of the ERJ 145 to deliver this service. If they possibly deployed a bigger capacity turboprop on the routes to Scotland, I think it could actually backfire on them. Yes, the seat costs would be lower, but not low enough to match EasyJet, but they would be offering an inferior service to those who can pay more, and these people may possibly desert to Heathrow for the comfort of a jet.
I'm sure EZY will eat into LM's market share, but I think they are offering a different product and there will always be some people prepared to pay for it. Waitrose will never outsell Tesco, but there's a market for both! Incidentally, back in the day, BA regional or whatever they were called then, were quite successful at Southampton using ERJ 135s and 145s to a number of business destinations in mainland Europe, from memory I'm pretty sure there were services to Zurich, Milan and Frankfurt amongst others. I wouldn't be surprised if there's still a potential market for business flights from Southampton if the right aircraft can be found and they were well-publicised. Hampshire/West Sussex/South Wiltshire/East Dorset is a very wealthy area and not everyone is looking for cheap and cheerful.
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There will always be a certain number of people that need a multiple-times daily schedule for business and will be prepared to pay for it. Other people also need to be able to travel on a particular day, or time of day. As long as these people are happy and able to pay a premium for such a service I think there will continue to be a niche market for Loganair on regional routes.
I'm only a passenger and not an airline expert, but to me it feels that LM have exactly the right equipment in the shape of the ERJ 145 to deliver this service. If they possibly deployed a bigger capacity turboprop on the routes to Scotland, I think it could actually backfire on them. Yes, the seat costs would be lower, but not low enough to match EasyJet, but they would be offering an inferior service to those who can pay more, and these people may possibly desert to Heathrow for the comfort of a jet.
I'm sure EZY will eat into LM's market share, but I think they are offering a different product and there will always be some people prepared to pay for it. Waitrose will never outsell Tesco, but there's a market for both! Incidentally, back in the day, BA regional or whatever they were called then, were quite successful at Southampton using ERJ 135s and 145s to a number of business destinations in mainland Europe, from memory I'm pretty sure there were services to Zurich, Milan and Frankfurt amongst others. I wouldn't be surprised if there's still a potential market for business flights from Southampton if the right aircraft can be found and they were well-publicised. Hampshire/West Sussex/South Wiltshire/East Dorset is a very wealthy area and not everyone is looking for cheap and cheerful.
I'm only a passenger and not an airline expert, but to me it feels that LM have exactly the right equipment in the shape of the ERJ 145 to deliver this service. If they possibly deployed a bigger capacity turboprop on the routes to Scotland, I think it could actually backfire on them. Yes, the seat costs would be lower, but not low enough to match EasyJet, but they would be offering an inferior service to those who can pay more, and these people may possibly desert to Heathrow for the comfort of a jet.
I'm sure EZY will eat into LM's market share, but I think they are offering a different product and there will always be some people prepared to pay for it. Waitrose will never outsell Tesco, but there's a market for both! Incidentally, back in the day, BA regional or whatever they were called then, were quite successful at Southampton using ERJ 135s and 145s to a number of business destinations in mainland Europe, from memory I'm pretty sure there were services to Zurich, Milan and Frankfurt amongst others. I wouldn't be surprised if there's still a potential market for business flights from Southampton if the right aircraft can be found and they were well-publicised. Hampshire/West Sussex/South Wiltshire/East Dorset is a very wealthy area and not everyone is looking for cheap and cheerful.
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There will always be a certain number of people that need a multiple-times daily schedule for business and will be prepared to pay for it. Other people also need to be able to travel on a particular day, or time of day. As long as these people are happy and able to pay a premium for such a service I think there will continue to be a niche market for Loganair on regional routes.
I'm only a passenger and not an airline expert, but to me it feels that LM have exactly the right equipment in the shape of the ERJ 145 to deliver this service. If they possibly deployed a bigger capacity turboprop on the routes to Scotland, I think it could actually backfire on them. Yes, the seat costs would be lower, but not low enough to match EasyJet, but they would be offering an inferior service to those who can pay more, and these people may possibly desert to Heathrow for the comfort of a jet.
I'm sure EZY will eat into LM's market share, but I think they are offering a different product and there will always be some people prepared to pay for it. Waitrose will never outsell Tesco, but there's a market for both! Incidentally, back in the day, BA regional or whatever they were called then, were quite successful at Southampton using ERJ 135s and 145s to a number of business destinations in mainland Europe, from memory I'm pretty sure there were services to Zurich, Milan and Frankfurt amongst others. I wouldn't be surprised if there's still a potential market for business flights from Southampton if the right aircraft can be found and they were well-publicised. Hampshire/West Sussex/South Wiltshire/East Dorset is a very wealthy area and not everyone is looking for cheap and cheerful.
I'm only a passenger and not an airline expert, but to me it feels that LM have exactly the right equipment in the shape of the ERJ 145 to deliver this service. If they possibly deployed a bigger capacity turboprop on the routes to Scotland, I think it could actually backfire on them. Yes, the seat costs would be lower, but not low enough to match EasyJet, but they would be offering an inferior service to those who can pay more, and these people may possibly desert to Heathrow for the comfort of a jet.
I'm sure EZY will eat into LM's market share, but I think they are offering a different product and there will always be some people prepared to pay for it. Waitrose will never outsell Tesco, but there's a market for both! Incidentally, back in the day, BA regional or whatever they were called then, were quite successful at Southampton using ERJ 135s and 145s to a number of business destinations in mainland Europe, from memory I'm pretty sure there were services to Zurich, Milan and Frankfurt amongst others. I wouldn't be surprised if there's still a potential market for business flights from Southampton if the right aircraft can be found and they were well-publicised. Hampshire/West Sussex/South Wiltshire/East Dorset is a very wealthy area and not everyone is looking for cheap and cheerful.
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That’s what I meant by their schedules being all over the place.
were quite successful at Southampton using ERJ 135s and 145s to a number of business destinations in mainland Europe, from memory I'm pretty sure there were services to Zurich, Milan and Frankfurt amongst others.
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Those Amazon jets weren’t and never have been appropriate for the European market , and especially after the flexible fares carriers arrived on the scene.
Work adequately flying from boon dock towns many lacking a regular coach services let alone rail connections (Greyhound and Amtrak make the UK services look positively luxurious and reliable by comparison ) into one or other US hub as life line services.
They were rather less suitable from Manchester/ Birmingham and Southampton when competing with the full sized 320/737 services of the EU mainline carriers, and rapidly expanding flexible fare carriers eating their lunch .
Still another life time ago now - we have voting adults today that weren’t even ameba back then.
Through is some circles the sour taste often lingers; then you sit back and see the massive explosion in range of destinations and indeed based fleets today compared to those of BA back in the day.
The EMB145s were ordered by British Regional and Brymon (both flying as BA) idependently pre merger for the likes of Scotland- BRS/CWL/SOU, but as soon as GO opened a BRS base, the market changed. BA ended up competing with itself at one point! I think the penny dropped quite soon after delivery that the business model they were ordered for was changing rapidly.
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It's more that the offering to market changed. With no Ryanair or easyJet offerings, BACON may well be around today offering high frequency high fare business type service. But that old world died and so did they.
The EMB145s were ordered by British Regional and Brymon (both flying as BA) idependently pre merger for the likes of Scotland- BRS/CWL/SOU, but as soon as GO opened a BRS base, the market changed. BA ended up competing with itself at one point! I think the penny dropped quite soon after delivery that the business model they were ordered for was changing rapidly.
The EMB145s were ordered by British Regional and Brymon (both flying as BA) idependently pre merger for the likes of Scotland- BRS/CWL/SOU, but as soon as GO opened a BRS base, the market changed. BA ended up competing with itself at one point! I think the penny dropped quite soon after delivery that the business model they were ordered for was changing rapidly.
BA should have ditched them not hung onto them and then try to price match or operate a million times a day to Frankfurt ( the regions didn’t demand that much frequency)
Total disaster through BA competed with itself in the regions for several decades before .
The twin Birmingham Manchester mini hubs with sometimes parallel onward connections to Scotland and Belfast made little sense other than reflecting political realities of the time .
Regionally they may have survived by consolidating over one or the other , and indeed several years beforehand a transport report recommended just such a scenario with some services hived off to the likes of Dan Air and Britannia . Never happened through.
Ah that sale and withdrawal from the regions never does get old on these forums among those of a certain age
There will always be a certain number of people that need a multiple-times daily schedule for business and will be prepared to pay for it. Other people also need to be able to travel on a particular day, or time of day. As long as these people are happy and able to pay a premium for such a service I think there will continue to be a niche market for Loganair on regional routes.
I'm only a passenger and not an airline expert, but to me it feels that LM have exactly the right equipment in the shape of the ERJ 145 to deliver this service. If they possibly deployed a bigger capacity turboprop on the routes to Scotland, I think it could actually backfire on them. Yes, the seat costs would be lower, but not low enough to match EasyJet, but they would be offering an inferior service to those who can pay more, and these people may possibly desert to Heathrow for the comfort of a jet.
I'm sure EZY will eat into LM's market share, but I think they are offering a different product and there will always be some people prepared to pay for it. Waitrose will never outsell Tesco, but there's a market for both! Incidentally, back in the day, BA regional or whatever they were called then, were quite successful at Southampton using ERJ 135s and 145s to a number of business destinations in mainland Europe, from memory I'm pretty sure there were services to Zurich, Milan and Frankfurt amongst others. I wouldn't be surprised if there's still a potential market for business flights from Southampton if the right aircraft can be found and they were well-publicised. Hampshire/West Sussex/South Wiltshire/East Dorset is a very wealthy area and not everyone is looking for cheap and cheerful.
I'm only a passenger and not an airline expert, but to me it feels that LM have exactly the right equipment in the shape of the ERJ 145 to deliver this service. If they possibly deployed a bigger capacity turboprop on the routes to Scotland, I think it could actually backfire on them. Yes, the seat costs would be lower, but not low enough to match EasyJet, but they would be offering an inferior service to those who can pay more, and these people may possibly desert to Heathrow for the comfort of a jet.
I'm sure EZY will eat into LM's market share, but I think they are offering a different product and there will always be some people prepared to pay for it. Waitrose will never outsell Tesco, but there's a market for both! Incidentally, back in the day, BA regional or whatever they were called then, were quite successful at Southampton using ERJ 135s and 145s to a number of business destinations in mainland Europe, from memory I'm pretty sure there were services to Zurich, Milan and Frankfurt amongst others. I wouldn't be surprised if there's still a potential market for business flights from Southampton if the right aircraft can be found and they were well-publicised. Hampshire/West Sussex/South Wiltshire/East Dorset is a very wealthy area and not everyone is looking for cheap and cheerful.