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Originally Posted by southamptonavgeek
Clearly quids-in from the Flybe IOM cancellations with flights on some dates on IOM-LHR up to as much as £235 from their previous £54. Evidently not just focused on serving the island despite what Mr. Hinkles may claim!
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Isn't this what every airline in the world does, as hotels etc do
As availability goes m the prices go up, Flybe did it too. They ain't a charity
As availability goes m the prices go up, Flybe did it too. They ain't a charity
Originally Posted by southamptonavgeek
Clearly quids-in from the Flybe IOM cancellations with flights on some dates on IOM-LHR up to as much as £235 from their previous £54. Evidently not just focused on serving the island despite what Mr. Hinkles may claim!
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Originally Posted by tictack67
Isn't this what every airline in the world does, as hotels etc do
As availability goes m the prices go up, Flybe did it too. They ain't a charity
As availability goes m the prices go up, Flybe did it too. They ain't a charity
Originally Posted by southamptonavgeek
Loganair are, in my opinion, particularly bad with it, though. On most of their uncontested routes the fares are extortionate and I don't believe that it can all be due to demand. I have seen similar comments from a lot of fellow regional airport users in recent months.
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Originally Posted by tictack67
Isn't this what every airline in the world does, as hotels etc do
As availability goes m the prices go up, Flybe did it too. They ain't a charity
As availability goes m the prices go up, Flybe did it too. They ain't a charity
Look at LCY-LUX, theory says competition is good so BA decided to compete against long standing Luxair who not surprisingly defended the route strongly. BA had to walk away, because on many high frequency E-Jet / turboprop routes, there's only room for one operator. If you want cheap fares, then a once daily Ryanair or easyJet will work, but they are opposing models. Look at the IOM and JER to see how it plays out.
Originally Posted by MichaelOLearyGenius
Ticketmaster are doing it for concert tickets now, Dynamic Pricing they call it. I managed to secure two Bruce Springsteen facevalue tkts on ticketmaster. When it came to check out they were £400 each. Ram it
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They are a regional airline operating a fleet of mostly 33-50 seaters that almost everyone else has deemed uneconominal and obsolete. So unless they operate on subsidized routes, it should be obvious that their average ticket price has to be quite high. And even it is slightly higher than it has to be to break even, isn't that what every business should to do generate as much profit for its shareholders as it can? And as any business they have to walk a fine line - if they overcharge, they will be without customers. And those who complain need to be aware of the fact that there will not be anyone else around that could take over. They are pretty much the only regional airline left in Europe operating 50 seaters on non-subsidized routes.
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They are a regional airline operating a fleet of mostly 33-50 seaters that almost everyone else has deemed uneconominal and obsolete. So unless they operate on subsidized routes, it should be obvious that their average ticket price has to be quite high. And even it is slightly higher than it has to be to break even, isn't that what every business should to do generate as much profit for its shareholders as it can? And as any business they have to walk a fine line - if they overcharge, they will be without customers. And those who complain need to be aware of the fact that there will not be anyone else around that could take over. They are pretty much the only regional airline left in Europe operating 50 seaters on non-subsidized routes.
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Loganair's MD going for it, complete with "No more maybes" tag line on their ad.
"Loganair's 60-year history is built upon service to local communities; it's a fundamental part of what we do. Other airlines come and go.
Some promise to come back, yet tell their customers less than 72 hours before they're due to land that they've completely cancelled the routes. It's undoubtedly been a tough summer for our industry as a whole, but I'm still taken aback that any airline would or could cancel whole routes only three days before their inaugural flights are due to take off.
And so with that in mind, I'm pleased to confirm that Loganair flies daily from the Isle of Man to London Heathrow, and up to twice daily from Isle of Man to London City. [We fly to the Isle of Man from Birmingham, Edinburgh, Liverpool and Manchester too.]
Our locally-based Isle of Man pilots and cabin crew will be delighted to welcome you aboard a Loganair aircraft, maintained by our great team of Isle of Man-based engineers. With same-ticket onward connections at Heathrow to several of the world's major airlines, we're truly in it for the long haul - just like our commitment to the communities we serve."
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"Loganair's 60-year history is built upon service to local communities; it's a fundamental part of what we do. Other airlines come and go.
Some promise to come back, yet tell their customers less than 72 hours before they're due to land that they've completely cancelled the routes. It's undoubtedly been a tough summer for our industry as a whole, but I'm still taken aback that any airline would or could cancel whole routes only three days before their inaugural flights are due to take off.
And so with that in mind, I'm pleased to confirm that Loganair flies daily from the Isle of Man to London Heathrow, and up to twice daily from Isle of Man to London City. [We fly to the Isle of Man from Birmingham, Edinburgh, Liverpool and Manchester too.]
Our locally-based Isle of Man pilots and cabin crew will be delighted to welcome you aboard a Loganair aircraft, maintained by our great team of Isle of Man-based engineers. With same-ticket onward connections at Heathrow to several of the world's major airlines, we're truly in it for the long haul - just like our commitment to the communities we serve."
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
BA318,
You rarely see many more open goals than the one he was shooting into!
You rarely see many more open goals than the one he was shooting into!
I get that there are people with axes to grind in relation to the previous business (some for very personal reasons), but the way some take delight in the troubles/failure of others is really not a good look!
Do you really think that they wanted to end up in the situation they find themselves (primarily, it seems to me, let down by suppliers)?
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Originally Posted by Wycombe
Disappointing to see folks again baying for the failure of Flybe Mk2.
I get that there are people with axes to grind in relation to the previous business (some for very personal reasons), but the way some take delight in the troubles/failure of others is really not a good look!
Do you really think that they wanted to end up in the situation they find themselves (primarily, it seems to me, let down by suppliers)?
I get that there are people with axes to grind in relation to the previous business (some for very personal reasons), but the way some take delight in the troubles/failure of others is really not a good look!
Do you really think that they wanted to end up in the situation they find themselves (primarily, it seems to me, let down by suppliers)?
Flybe are also trying to cause trouble for other carriers who've stuck around and worked hard. Look at Loganair. What was the point in trying to go up against them on the IOM routes? It just seems designed to become a pain in the hope someone buys them out.
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Originally Posted by Wycombe
Disappointing to see folks again baying for the failure of Flybe Mk2.
I get that there are people with axes to grind in relation to the previous business (some for very personal reasons), but the way some take delight in the troubles/failure of others is really not a good look!
Do you really think that they wanted to end up in the situation they find themselves (primarily, it seems to me, let down by suppliers)?
I get that there are people with axes to grind in relation to the previous business (some for very personal reasons), but the way some take delight in the troubles/failure of others is really not a good look!
Do you really think that they wanted to end up in the situation they find themselves (primarily, it seems to me, let down by suppliers)?
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The full accounts are up on Companies House.
Some bits from it:
LF is 47%,
910,119 scheduled pax carried.
Contract and charter work makes up 20% of their turnover.
Gross profit £17.8m
Some very crude analysis - if you take the 20% from contract and charter work off their turnover then scheduled flying is losing them quite a bit of money. No contract and charter work and that £17.8m gross profit becomes a £14.5m loss.
They're making revenue per pax of about £142, which is to be commended.
Some bits from it:
LF is 47%,
910,119 scheduled pax carried.
Contract and charter work makes up 20% of their turnover.
Gross profit £17.8m
Some very crude analysis - if you take the 20% from contract and charter work off their turnover then scheduled flying is losing them quite a bit of money. No contract and charter work and that £17.8m gross profit becomes a £14.5m loss.
They're making revenue per pax of about £142, which is to be commended.
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Some very crude analysis - if you take the 20% from contract and charter work off their turnover then scheduled flying is losing them quite a bit of money. No contract and charter work and that £17.8m gross profit becomes a £14.5m loss.Some very crude analysis - if you take the 20% from contract and charter work off their turnover then scheduled flying is losing them quite a bit of money. No contract and charter work and that £17.8m gross profit becomes a £14.5m loss.
I really don't understand why there are many regional jets (admittedly mostly CRJs but some Embraer's) operating in the US by airlines like Endeavour and mostly in alliance with majors? How is the business model so different to Europe.
Similarly, much of the contact and charter flying is done by the same a/c and crew as the scheduled services, so the position isn't as simple as that - which cavokblues has acknowledged
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Some very crude analysis - if you take the 20% from contract and charter work off their turnover then scheduled flying is losing them quite a bit of money. No contract and charter work and that £17.8m gross profit becomes a £14.5m loss.
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Originally Posted by 22/04
Have you factored any contribution made when operating PSO s into that?
I really don't understand why there are many regional jets (admittedly mostly CRJs but some Embraer's) operating in the US by airlines like Endeavour and mostly in alliance with majors? How is the business model so different to Europe.
I really don't understand why there are many regional jets (admittedly mostly CRJs but some Embraer's) operating in the US by airlines like Endeavour and mostly in alliance with majors? How is the business model so different to Europe.
