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Old 12th Mar 2023, 16:00
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Iím not sure a breakdown of EZYís current, and potential, route network from SOU qualifies as ďrumourĒ.

Letís get it back on track. Any more word on Loganairís bid to get some LHR slots?
If they do, they do. Loganair do routes that EZY and FR would not touch with a barge pole. Not profitable for them.
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Old 12th Mar 2023, 16:21
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If they do, they do. Loganair do routes that EZY and FR would not touch with a barge pole. Not profitable for them.
Exactly the reason that Easy arn't already at SOU on short routes like Glasgow For example,there isnt the PAX demands to make it profitable ,and I dont think this will change post Runway extension .
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Old 12th Mar 2023, 17:04
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If rumours of easyJet at SOU are true, all it is trying to do is exactly what it is doing between BFS and BHD. This is to the detriment of everyone but themselves in their efforts to control the market between LGW and SOU.

A series of spoiler services impact everyone elseís yields and where easyJet has the frequency advantage at larger airports like LGW and BFS, its position is not able to be tackled on the basis of that frequency.

For SOU and BHD, this is a very dangerous position as they basically allow in easyJet to control the market and ultimately suppress it to keep the big volumes at LGW and BFS. Itís not good for consumer choice in the long run either. Very much a matter of be careful what you wish for.
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Old 12th Mar 2023, 17:50
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Exactly the reason that Easy arn't already at SOU on short routes like Glasgow For example,there isnt the PAX demands to make it profitable ,and I dont think this will change post Runway extension .
No it will not. People like the choice to travel to SOU in the morning or the evening from the locations Logan fly from. Not as cheap as some would like. But Loganair exists while Flybe and BMIR do not.
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Old 12th Mar 2023, 18:08
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I think Flightrider makes a good point. I haven’t looked recently but the last time I looked the EZY services between BHX and EDI/GLA were all over the place, schedule wise. OK for occasional leisure travel but not so great for business. Even their schedules on LGW/EDI (which I use a lot) leave a lot to be desired. For example, this coming Wednesday the last flight EDILGW is at 1650. I do get the impression that EZY treat a lot of their domestics, particularly regional ones, as fillers but by siphoning off some of the discretionary traffic make the routes unviable for a competing regional operator.
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Old 12th Mar 2023, 20:09
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I think Flightrider makes a good point. I havenít looked recently but the last time I looked the EZY services between BHX and EDI/GLA were all over the place, schedule wise. OK for occasional leisure travel but not so great for business. Even their schedules on LGW/EDI (which I use a lot) leave a lot to be desired. For example, this coming Wednesday the last flight EDILGW is at 1650. I do get the impression that EZY treat a lot of their domestics, particularly regional ones, as fillers but by siphoning off some of the discretionary traffic make the routes unviable for a competing regional operator.
WW, absolutely spot on, as a BHX watcher the up and coming summer schedules at times are a nightmare for business but I can't speak for Southampton, however BHX domestics business travel appears to be nowhere near pre COVID levels (and might never recover) and of course these schedules won't help and they do give the impression of gap-fillers in the aircraft schedule. However, I am sure some Southampton locals would be more than happy to accept easyjet EDI & GLA even at erratic timings or as gaps-fillers or whatever you want to call them .

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Old 13th Mar 2023, 06:24
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Originally Posted by OltonPete View Post
WW, absolutely spot on, as a BHX watcher the up and coming summer schedules at times are a nightmare for business but I can't speak for Southampton, however BHX domestics business travel appears to be nowhere near pre COVID levels (and might never recover) and of course these schedules won't help and they do give the impression of gap-fillers in the aircraft schedule. However, I am sure some Southampton locals would be more than happy to accept easyjet EDI & GLA even at erratic timings or as gaps-fillers or whatever you want to call them .

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indeed but my point is that while some SOU locals might be pleased to see an EZY service to Scotland even if at erratic timings, others would not be so pleased if this led to the withdrawal of the business friendly Loganair services.
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Old 13th Mar 2023, 17:10
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WW, absolutely spot on, as a BHX watcher the up and coming summer schedules at times are a nightmare for business

Often locos are like this as these routes need to fit round routes from the bases.

e.g. if the aircraft goes base to Palma one day and Tenerife the next and base to BHX follows they won't be at the same time.
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Old 13th Mar 2023, 23:56
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Originally Posted by willy wombat View Post
indeed but my point is that while some SOU locals might be pleased to see an EZY service to Scotland even if at erratic timings, others would not be so pleased if this led to the withdrawal of the business friendly Loganair services.
It also keeps people at those locations in work. That may upset some of the posters on here, but hey ho,. Let the blood flow in their ideas.
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Old 14th Mar 2023, 19:41
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Wow, what did I start! I intentionally did not mention EZY. Letís start again, what do we think LM will replace the 145s with? ATRs I feel are too slow. Not sure they would get as many sectors in.
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Old 14th Mar 2023, 22:40
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint View Post
Wow, what did I start! I intentionally did not mention EZY. Letís start again, what do we think LM will replace the 145s with? ATRs I feel are too slow. Not sure they would get as many sectors in.
I think ATR's could work, but they would need to re-jig the schedules a little with other shorter flights already operated by them. Additional fleet commonality is probably appealing for Loganair.

As you say I can't imagine it will be possible to do 4x EDI/GLA - SOU/EXT returns in a day on a single aircraft. But if you mixed that in with a shorter sector or two to IOM/LDY/SYY etc then it might be alright.


Otherwise what would they choose - Q400 is faster but seems risky reliability wise, and would be thirsty on short flights. E170/175 is probably more reliable than a Q400 but a great deal thirstier again.
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Old 14th Mar 2023, 23:13
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So what reliable airframes of the size / fuel burn / and bums on seats fills the holes? New Q400s about? New EJRs about? New ATRs about? Rock and hard place. Rather have EJRs with new parts about. Oh Uber alles Q400 and ATRs. Jets over props every time in my considered opinion.
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 11:32
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The view of the CEO

https://www.scotsman.com/business/fu...inkles-4060075
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 12:59
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Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim View Post
Admirable and a position I agree with, however this will never stop the LCCís profiting from their lower cost base and economies of scale!
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 15:45
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Personally, I can’t see Loganair disposing of the ERJ fleet any time soon, given that a cabin upgrade is about to be undertaken across the fleet. This is on top of a flight management system upgrade. Rather costly if they are planning to replace the a/c!

As for fleet replacements, they appear to be committed to ATR with plans for an additional 4 AT42’s, and 4 (Possibly 5) AT72's on the cards.

All in all, I think fleet replacement plans are at this time not something Loganair are in a rush to commit to.

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Old 15th Mar 2023, 18:16
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Personally, I canít see Loganair disposing of the ERJ fleet any time soon, given that a cabin upgrade is about to be undertaken across the fleet. This is on top of a flight management system upgrade. Rather costly if they are planning to replace the a/c!

As for fleet replacements, they appear to be committed to ATR with plans for an additional 4 AT42ís, and one possible AT72 on the cards.

All in all, I think fleet replacement plans are at this time not something Loganair are in a rush to commit to.
Why bin aeroplanes that are doing routes that fit their role and are being profitable? Certainly the cabin upgrades are well overdue, but they were when the fleet was BMIR. FMS update is also well in progress.
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Old 28th Mar 2023, 15:31
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Interesting situation for Loganair after BA hands them 60 LHR slots for Summer 23.


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Old 28th Mar 2023, 15:31
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Being reported on the Derry thread that the STN flight is moving to LHR

Loganair, the UK’s largest regional airline, will expand at Heathrow from May thanks to slots secured under a lease arrangement with British Airways.

The carrier has also renewed its calls to the UK government to reform competition remedies to make slots at Heathrow permanently available for regional connectivity.

Loganair has secured access to 30 additional pairs of slots each week at the London hub under a lease arrangement with BA which takes effect in May.
https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/...throw-from-may
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Old 28th Mar 2023, 17:52
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Lets hope any expansion ex LHR boosts their Ďlocalí Scottish routes and airports.
BA may have something to say though on their essentially high fare LHR connection monopoly.
Good news though. Have they got capacity/aircraft and resilience though? We donít need another Flybe
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Old 28th Mar 2023, 18:37
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However, Flybe’s “slots” at Heathrow are now potentially up for grabs, which include to Edinburgh and Aberdeen. Mr Hinkles said flying them against British Airways would be a “suicide mission”, but there was “absolutely” a case for switching the slots to other routes, such as Dundee, to improve UK air connections. He said: “If there’s an opportunity there, it’s really quite exciting”.
This from the article linked at #293 above - so I'd expect new destinations from LHR, not competing on existing routes. Derry and Dundee favourites?
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