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Originally Posted by cuthere
I’m not sure a breakdown of EZY’s current, and potential, route network from SOU qualifies as “rumour”.
Let’s get it back on track. Any more word on Loganair’s bid to get some LHR slots?
Let’s get it back on track. Any more word on Loganair’s bid to get some LHR slots?
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Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim
If they do, they do. Loganair do routes that EZY and FR would not touch with a barge pole. Not profitable for them.
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If rumours of easyJet at SOU are true, all it is trying to do is exactly what it is doing between BFS and BHD. This is to the detriment of everyone but themselves in their efforts to control the market between LGW and SOU.
A series of spoiler services impact everyone else’s yields and where easyJet has the frequency advantage at larger airports like LGW and BFS, its position is not able to be tackled on the basis of that frequency.
For SOU and BHD, this is a very dangerous position as they basically allow in easyJet to control the market and ultimately suppress it to keep the big volumes at LGW and BFS. It’s not good for consumer choice in the long run either. Very much a matter of be careful what you wish for.
A series of spoiler services impact everyone else’s yields and where easyJet has the frequency advantage at larger airports like LGW and BFS, its position is not able to be tackled on the basis of that frequency.
For SOU and BHD, this is a very dangerous position as they basically allow in easyJet to control the market and ultimately suppress it to keep the big volumes at LGW and BFS. It’s not good for consumer choice in the long run either. Very much a matter of be careful what you wish for.
Originally Posted by RW20
Exactly the reason that Easy arn't already at SOU on short routes like Glasgow For example,there isnt the PAX demands to make it profitable ,and I dont think this will change post Runway extension .
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I think Flightrider makes a good point. I haven’t looked recently but the last time I looked the EZY services between BHX and EDI/GLA were all over the place, schedule wise. OK for occasional leisure travel but not so great for business. Even their schedules on LGW/EDI (which I use a lot) leave a lot to be desired. For example, this coming Wednesday the last flight EDILGW is at 1650. I do get the impression that EZY treat a lot of their domestics, particularly regional ones, as fillers but by siphoning off some of the discretionary traffic make the routes unviable for a competing regional operator.
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Originally Posted by willy wombat
I think Flightrider makes a good point. I haven’t looked recently but the last time I looked the EZY services between BHX and EDI/GLA were all over the place, schedule wise. OK for occasional leisure travel but not so great for business. Even their schedules on LGW/EDI (which I use a lot) leave a lot to be desired. For example, this coming Wednesday the last flight EDILGW is at 1650. I do get the impression that EZY treat a lot of their domestics, particularly regional ones, as fillers but by siphoning off some of the discretionary traffic make the routes unviable for a competing regional operator.
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Originally Posted by OltonPete
WW, absolutely spot on, as a BHX watcher the up and coming summer schedules at times are a nightmare for business but I can't speak for Southampton, however BHX domestics business travel appears to be nowhere near pre COVID levels (and might never recover) and of course these schedules won't help and they do give the impression of gap-fillers in the aircraft schedule. However, I am sure some Southampton locals would be more than happy to accept easyjet EDI & GLA even at erratic timings or as gaps-fillers or whatever you want to call them .
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WW, absolutely spot on, as a BHX watcher the up and coming summer schedules at times are a nightmare for business
Often locos are like this as these routes need to fit round routes from the bases.
e.g. if the aircraft goes base to Palma one day and Tenerife the next and base to BHX follows they won't be at the same time.
Originally Posted by willy wombat
indeed but my point is that while some SOU locals might be pleased to see an EZY service to Scotland even if at erratic timings, others would not be so pleased if this led to the withdrawal of the business friendly Loganair services.
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Wow, what did I start! I intentionally did not mention EZY. Let’s start again, what do we think LM will replace the 145s with? ATRs I feel are too slow. Not sure they would get as many sectors in.
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint
Wow, what did I start! I intentionally did not mention EZY. Let’s start again, what do we think LM will replace the 145s with? ATRs I feel are too slow. Not sure they would get as many sectors in.
As you say I can't imagine it will be possible to do 4x EDI/GLA - SOU/EXT returns in a day on a single aircraft. But if you mixed that in with a shorter sector or two to IOM/LDY/SYY etc then it might be alright.
Otherwise what would they choose - Q400 is faster but seems risky reliability wise, and would be thirsty on short flights. E170/175 is probably more reliable than a Q400 but a great deal thirstier again.
So what reliable airframes of the size / fuel burn / and bums on seats fills the holes? New Q400s about? New EJRs about? New ATRs about? Rock and hard place. Rather have EJRs with new parts about. Oh Uber alles Q400 and ATRs. Jets over props every time in my considered opinion.
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Personally, I can’t see Loganair disposing of the ERJ fleet any time soon, given that a cabin upgrade is about to be undertaken across the fleet. This is on top of a flight management system upgrade. Rather costly if they are planning to replace the a/c!
As for fleet replacements, they appear to be committed to ATR with plans for an additional 4 AT42’s, and 4 (Possibly 5) AT72's on the cards.
All in all, I think fleet replacement plans are at this time not something Loganair are in a rush to commit to.
As for fleet replacements, they appear to be committed to ATR with plans for an additional 4 AT42’s, and 4 (Possibly 5) AT72's on the cards.
All in all, I think fleet replacement plans are at this time not something Loganair are in a rush to commit to.
Last edited by jethro15; 15th Mar 2023 at 18:36.
Originally Posted by jethro15
Personally, I can’t see Loganair disposing of the ERJ fleet any time soon, given that a cabin upgrade is about to be undertaken across the fleet. This is on top of a flight management system upgrade. Rather costly if they are planning to replace the a/c!
As for fleet replacements, they appear to be committed to ATR with plans for an additional 4 AT42’s, and one possible AT72 on the cards.
All in all, I think fleet replacement plans are at this time not something Loganair are in a rush to commit to.
As for fleet replacements, they appear to be committed to ATR with plans for an additional 4 AT42’s, and one possible AT72 on the cards.
All in all, I think fleet replacement plans are at this time not something Loganair are in a rush to commit to.
Being reported on the Derry thread that the STN flight is moving to LHR
https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/...throw-from-may
Loganair, the UK’s largest regional airline, will expand at Heathrow from May thanks to slots secured under a lease arrangement with British Airways.
The carrier has also renewed its calls to the UK government to reform competition remedies to make slots at Heathrow permanently available for regional connectivity.
Loganair has secured access to 30 additional pairs of slots each week at the London hub under a lease arrangement with BA which takes effect in May.
The carrier has also renewed its calls to the UK government to reform competition remedies to make slots at Heathrow permanently available for regional connectivity.
Loganair has secured access to 30 additional pairs of slots each week at the London hub under a lease arrangement with BA which takes effect in May.
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Lets hope any expansion ex LHR boosts their ‘local’ Scottish routes and airports.
BA may have something to say though on their essentially high fare LHR connection monopoly.
Good news though. Have they got capacity/aircraft and resilience though? We don’t need another Flybe
BA may have something to say though on their essentially high fare LHR connection monopoly.
Good news though. Have they got capacity/aircraft and resilience though? We don’t need another Flybe
However, Flybe’s “slots” at Heathrow are now potentially up for grabs, which include to Edinburgh and Aberdeen. Mr Hinkles said flying them against British Airways would be a “suicide mission”, but there was “absolutely” a case for switching the slots to other routes, such as Dundee, to improve UK air connections. He said: “If there’s an opportunity there, it’s really quite exciting”.
