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Old 10th Nov 2022, 18:13
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Wonder what they’ll do with that? Presumably they’ll want significant return on that sort of investment.
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe View Post
Wonder what they’ll do with that? Presumably they’ll want significant return on that sort of investment.
You are confused. They were awarded the slots, they've not bought them.
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Old 10th Nov 2022, 18:36
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Originally Posted by tictack67 View Post
You are confused. They were awarded the slots, they've not bought them.
The investment has been the 18 months they’ve paid to lease the until permanent award now which will need a return. Whether the IOM route last is where the only confusion lies..
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Old 10th Nov 2022, 18:39
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What do you mean by leasing slots over 18 months? I don't think that's what they have done....
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Loganair isn't new to Heathrow though...
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Originally Posted by SealinkBF View Post
Loganair isn't new to Heathrow though...
'New' in that they now have the slots themselves rather than using the COVID waiver slots from other airlines. Same for Flybe, they didn't actually have the slots in the way LM have... hence how they can be the 'first' in 28 years. All very 'technical'.
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Old 22nd Nov 2022, 12:04
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Loganair have launched a route pass covering the following routes:
  • Edinburgh - Southampton
  • Glasgow - Southampton
  • Aberdeen - Teesside
  • Aberdeen - Manchester
  • Aberdeen - Birmingham
I think Eastern offer something similar. Prices are geared towards business travellers!

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Old 22nd Nov 2022, 19:27
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Talks ongoing re IOM-LHR, currently not bookable beyond March '23.....https://gef.im/2022/11/22/loganair-h...ks-continuing/
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Do they own the LHR slots ?
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Old 22nd Nov 2022, 20:39
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Do they own the LHR slots ?
I think they do.
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Old 22nd Nov 2022, 20:45
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Do they own the LHR slots ?
They do from S23. They were awarded them recently.
https://airwaysmag.com/london-heathr...itish-airline/
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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 15:34
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I was just wondering about Loganair, regards their jet fleet.
They have the E135/145, but I wondered if they were the ones operating the Eastern E170, I only ask as I read somewhere, Loganair had some involvement .

Also, Would the Ejets , be a good fit for Loganair?.
It might enable them to offer , European destinations, even ' Holiday ' destinations , with the E190/E175 types.

Plus larger capacity from Glasgow , Edinburgh, Inverness etc , into LHR , rather than the Tiny ATR.
I'm not an expert on these matters, but do wonder if going forward, having the flexibility , to grow , but keeping to smaller sized Jet aircraft .
Especially, as the E135/E145, are getting rather old now .
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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 15:51
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Originally Posted by EGPO View Post
I was just wondering about Loganair, regards their jet fleet.
They have the E135/145, but I wondered if they were the ones operating the Eastern E170, I only ask as I read somewhere, Loganair had some involvement .

Also, Would the Ejets , be a good fit for Loganair?.
It might enable them to offer , European destinations, even ' Holiday ' destinations , with the E190/E175 types.

Plus larger capacity from Glasgow , Edinburgh, Inverness etc , into LHR , rather than the Tiny ATR.
I'm not an expert on these matters, but do wonder if going forward, having the flexibility , to grow , but keeping to smaller sized Jet aircraft .
Especially, as the E135/E145, are getting rather old now .
Loganair have stated that the Atr is the future. They have no interest in operating trunk routes like Glasgow or Edinburgh to LHR.

As far as I am aware they had no involvement with the Eastern E170
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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 16:23
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The E135s are going/gone. The remaining Saabs will be replaced by recently ordered ATRs. No announcement has been made about the E145.

The E170 hasn’t operated for them and they have shown no interest in anything bigger than the ATR.
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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 16:46
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If you go back to when BA bought BCAL, Loganair was one of the airlines that applied to the CAA to replace BCAL on GLA/EDI to LGW. To bolster their case they acquired two 146s with which they proposed to operate the routes. However the route licences were awarded to Air UK instead and Loganair were stuck with the 146s which, IIRC, they mainly operated out of MAN. I think I can say with certainty that that was the end of Loganair’s interest in Scotland - London routes.
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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 16:49
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Originally Posted by willy wombat View Post
If you go back to when BA bought BCAL, Loganair was one of the airlines that applied to the CAA to replace BCAL on GLA/EDI to LGW. To bolster their case they acquired two 146s with which they proposed to operate the routes. However the route licences were awarded to Air UK instead and Loganair were stuck with the 146s which, IIRC, they mainly operated out of MAN. I think I can say with certainty that that was the end of Loganair’s interest in Scotland - London routes.
I wouldn’t say they have no interest in Scotland - London routes. They are currently operating Dundee to LCY and offering one stop to Kirkwall and Sumburgh. But I wouldn’t expect them to go up against BA on Glasgow or Edinburgh to London and especially not LHR. But Scot Airways held its own on LCY-EDI for years.
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Fair point.
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Old 29th Nov 2022, 13:45
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Originally Posted by EGPO View Post

Also, Would the Ejets , be a good fit for Loganair?.
It might enable them to offer , European destinations, even ' Holiday ' destinations , with the E190/E175 types.
Didn't they quite categorically rule out EVER retrurning to the continent as routes inaugurated following Flybe's demise almost broke Loganair's back?
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Old 29th Nov 2022, 17:03
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Loganair technically does still fly to “the Continent” as Denmark was attached to it last time I was there! Norway also is quite a sizeable operation now.

There were a few routes to Düsseldorf (GLA) and Brussels (NCL and EMA) launched post-bmi Regional that did not work and were dropped when Flybe went bust, with capacity moved to vacant domestic routes.

GLA-DUS was really tough going with ATC delays every day, a baggage loader taking a large chunk off an E145 wing one day and generally all too difficult. Don’t recall NCL-BRU being as troublesome but still obviously not as good as using the aircraft on Southampton and Exeter.

And I think there is no chance of E-Jets. Why would you want to go into direct competition with the big boys?
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Old 3rd Dec 2022, 10:18
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Loganair has launched a podcast. It can be found here: https://www.loganair.co.uk/our-story...ast%20announce
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