Heathrow-3

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by davidjohnson6

In the last 5-10 years, it seems like the proportion of flights at LHR which are longhaul has increased

Stats would seem to support that conclusion.

While I don't have the time or energy to do a proper destination analysis, if we take narrow- and wide-body as a proxy for the shorthaul/longhaul split (crude, but Heathrow does the same in its reporting), then wide-bodies accounted for 41% of ATMs last month, compared with 36% in July 2013.

[golf yankee one one]

Increased % long haul flights, new runway

The increasing proportion of longhaul/widebody flights is entirely consistent with the ambition of (particularly) BA to serve more and more N American destinations at the expense of the rest of the world and especially UK feeder flights.
If Heathrow is to continue to function as a hub for the whole UK, and thus a national asset, what it needs is not a new runway, but half a new runway, ie one suitable for short and medium haul flights.

But privatisation, of BA and Heathrow, probably put an end to any such strategic considerations...

[davidjohnson6]

Perhaps one could rename British Airways as British Overseas Airways Corporation and Easyjet as British European Airways to reflect the destinations served by each carrier. Or have those names been used before ?

[DC3 Dave]

Originally Posted by davidjohnson6

Perhaps one could rename British Airways as British Overseas Airways Corporation and Easyjet as British European Airways to reflect the destinations served by each carrier. Or have those names been used before ?

Well, we have a Dan Air out there again. That is a start.

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by golf yankee one one

The increasing proportion of longhaul/widebody flights is entirely consistent with the ambition of (particularly) BA to serve more and more N American destinations at the expense of the rest of the world and especially UK feeder flights.
If Heathrow is to continue to function as a hub for the whole UK, and thus a national asset, what it needs is not a new runway, but half a new runway, ie one suitable for short and medium haul flights.

But privatisation, of BA and Heathrow, probably put an end to any such strategic considerations...

BA hasn't been a 'national' airline for years, and for much of UK LHR doesn't serve as hub, that tends to be DUB going west and a mix of AMS, FRA, IST, DXB etc going east.

[pabely]

Originally Posted by ATNotts

BA hasn't been a 'national' airline for years, and for much of UK LHR doesn't serve as hub, that tends to be DUB going west and a mix of AMS, FRA, IST, DXB etc going east.

DUB is rather limited being only a handful of flights per day to limited places whereas LHR gives you so much choice regardless.
Recently did IOM 》DUB 》JFK, only just worked. If I had done IOM 》LHR 》JFK I could have had loads of choice of flights almost every hour through the LHR hub. I'll add to that choice to other NY airports. EWR from DUB involves a nightstop.

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by pabely

DUB is rather limited being only a handful of flights per day to limited places whereas LHR gives you so much choice regardless.
Recently did IOM 》DUB 》JFK, only just worked. If I had done IOM 》LHR 》JFK I could have had loads of choice of flights almost every hour through the LHR hub. I'll add to that choice to other NY airports. EWR from DUB involves a nightstop.

I was thinking of hubbing through LHR by air, rather than using surface transport to get to LHR from other UK airports.

[WHBM]

Originally Posted by ATNotts

BA hasn't been a 'national' airline for years, and for much of UK LHR doesn't serve as hub, that tends to be DUB going west and a mix of AMS, FRA, IST, DXB etc going east.

But most "national carriers" have now gone for this approach, having one national hub. With a few exceptions, Air France only do Paris, Iberia only do Madrid. Lufthansa do two, Frankfurt and Munich, but have let go of the rest. ITA have done their long-haul pretty much wholly from Rome. All these have left significant service at Nice, Barcelona, Hamburg or Milan to others, apart from high-frequency to their own hubs from these points. Nowadays with various competition through other hubs it's just financially not worthwhile.

I also notice nowadays that BA has far more transit passengers from other European points through Heathrow than used to be the case.

[pabely]

Originally Posted by ATNotts

I was thinking of hubbing through LHR by air, rather than using surface transport to get to LHR from other UK airports.

Exactly what I did Aer Lingus Regional to DUB. Loganair would have done LHR.

[Asturias56]

Originally Posted by pabely

DUB is rather limited being only a handful of flights per day to limited places whereas LHR gives you so much choice regardless.
Recently did IOM 》DUB 》JFK, only just worked. If I had done IOM 》LHR 》JFK I could have had loads of choice of flights almost every hour through the LHR hub. I'll add to that choice to other NY airports. EWR from DUB involves a nightstop.

yes LHR is almost another NY airport - but it's very expensive and no-one likes changing planes there - the layout is still totally fragmented with 4 geographically seperate terminals cp ATL, CDG, DUB, AMS

We save a fortune by NOT using LHR for long-haul

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

CDG also has an utter cluster**** of terminals if you're connecting, it's worse than LHR by quite some way. And people usually complain that LHR harms regional UK-NYC because of all the cheap seats offered due to the frequency!

[davidjohnson6]

To be fair to CDG... terminals 2B and 2D have now been merged into one big terminal... and since they reopened post-refurbishment, they are reasonably nice to use. Orly has now become one big single terminal (South and West are now joined together). My understanding is that ADP are trying to do something similiar with other parts of T2 at CDG.

[Seljuk]

Emirates will add 5 additional flights per week from 30th October making LHR 47 weekly.

New flights to be operated winter only with B77W. Seems to be CX slots.

[davidjohnson6]

SAS to leave T2 and move to T3 within the next few years ? Or maybe to T4 ?

[MANFAN]

Originally Posted by davidjohnson6

SAS to leave T2 and move to T3 within the next few years ? Or maybe to T4 ?

Why? Is there any concrete info to substantiate this?

[davidjohnson6]

Originally Posted by MANFAN

Why? Is there any concrete info to substantiate this?

SAS to leave Star for SkyTeam after picking Air France-KLM and Castlelake as investors
https://www.flightglobal.com/airline...155224.article

Have a look at which terminal Delta and Virgin use at Heathrow. Then look at which terminal Air France and KLM use

[BA318]

Originally Posted by davidjohnson6

SAS to leave Star for SkyTeam after picking Air France-KLM and Castlelake as investors
https://www.flightglobal.com/airline...155224.article

Have a look at which terminal Delta and Virgin use at Heathrow. Then look at which terminal Air France and KLM use

Given you posted it as the news broke it’s obvious people wouldn’t know what you were talking about so perhaps not so much need for the sarcasm. This place is as good as we make it.

SAS have quite a sizeable operation at LHR. I wonder how easy it would be for them to switch terminals. Probably T4 could take them but wouldn’t make connections as nice as BA has (for the services all in T5 at least).

[Sotonsean]

Turkmenistan Airlines

Turkmenistan Airlines are to resume flights to London Heathrow from the 04 November 2023.

Turkmenistan Airlines are to move their existing service from Ashgabat to London from London Stansted Airport to London Heathrow Airport. Turkmenistan Airlines previously served London Heathrow until February 2019.

T5427 ASB 12.00 LHR 14.00 73H 6
T5428 LHR 15.20 ASB 02.30+1 73H 6

[DaveReidUK]

Presumably TUA will continue throw in the occasional B77L instead, though the B752s appear all to have now been retired.

[Sotonsean]

Virgin Atlantic are to cease flight's between London Heathrow and Austin from the 07 January 2024.

Virgin Atlantic are to increase flight's between London Heathrow and Barbados from 10 January 2024 until 29 March 2024.

Virgin Atlantic are to increase flight's between London Heathrow and Miami from 11 weekly to 14 a week for the 2024 summer season.

Virgin Atlantic will increase flight's between London Heathrow to Dubai from four weekly to daily for the Winter 2024/25 season.