Teesside-2

[mmeteesside]

Originally Posted by N707ZS

Will it be groundhog day with Eastern back on the Aberdeen with the J-41.

I think one thing we do know is 4x a day on NCL-ABZ won’t be sustainable. It’ll be a question of who blinks first there… I wouldn’t mind betting Eastern will be back at Teesside soon

[Jamesair1]

Don't forget that in April. Passenger Tax will be cut by 50% on domestic routes....this will create a new dynamic for domestic operations and hopefully attract more passengers.

[highwideandugly]

Catch 22…industrial development on Teesside at the moment is in overdrive.

To quote Ben ‘ plenty of well paid ,secure ,good quality jobs for Teesside’. …might mean folk have no need to travel to Aberdeen for oil related jobs!
Stay local for renewable future proof ones!

Bit like the local railways and station investment…that must be detrimental to uk connectivity from the airport?

[Albert Hall]

Originally Posted by Jamesair1

Don't forget that in April. Passenger Tax will be cut by 50% on domestic routes....this will create a new dynamic for domestic operations and hopefully attract more passengers.

In a time of high inflation, it absolutely won't have any such impact. All it will do is reduce the amount by which airfares need to go up for routes to remain viable.

[Harold77]

Originally Posted by onion

I would say that the "fixed price" contracts provide the security.
Honey Badger, L159 or ALCA, take your pick.
We dont know the situation with the subsidies so I'm not going to comment.
What I can see is Logan have consolidates the aircraft at NCL likely with another E145 thus reducing the need for engineer support at MME and lowering their cost base. They ll also be hoping for an uplift on the ABZ out of NCL as MME is going 1 a day. MME to ABZ is usually the stronger route than NCL to ABZ. So this is really a way of putting off another operator coming onto the MME-ABZ route.
None of the routes Logan operated were really attempted properly.
Any UK or Ireland, (except for the likes of Newquay and Jersey), route that is operated by the likes of Eastern or Logan needs to be twice a day to provide a true alternative to the train or flights from NCL or LBA.
Ryanair and the like are a different kettle of fish.
If that were to happen moving forward then we could say that it's been tried and failed.
Belfast 4 times a week with the alternatives up and down the road is not going to work.

Great summary, think you have hit the nail on the head.

It looked really promising when Eastern launched its expansion of routes then Covid hit and ground everything to a halt. They never really got a chance to prove.

I think what some are thinking it has been 4 years since it was purchased, why isn't it more than what is there to show. What they are forgetting is that the whole world was shut down for more than a year and was very slow in opening back up and the bottom was ripped out of the travel and air industry. Very few airports are back to pre covid levels. For many places, a real take off didn't happen til March - April last year, even then was way off from pre pandemic levels til further into the summer.

I agree with you that most routes would really have benefitted if had at least twice daily flights to allow day trips meetings etc to happen and frequency that would make beneficial travel plans. Some routes daily, while some routes would suffice twice day three days a week.

I think Eastern had it right putting the E190 on the Heathrow route and would have had great figures as the industry recovered and opened back up. I think the E190 was the perfect aircraft size for the route.

[Grumpy1]

Harold compares the post Covid recovery of MME with the rest of the aviation industry but I cant think of another airport that has lost such a large proportion of of its routes after the pandemic yet others continue to grow.
He also reminds us that the whole world shut down due to Covid but this is not quite true as Teesside continued to operate vertually empty heavily subsidised flights. For example in lockdown 3 in Feb/Mar 2021, NCL operated 355 scheduled flights, LBA operated only 70 but MME operated 319. Perhaps there was a Mayoral election due?
He should also perhaps have remind us of the circumstances inwhich Eastern were evicted in favour of Loganair.

[Harold77]

Grumpy,
During April & May 2020 Teesside didn't have any passenger flights.

Teesside had to stay operational for National Security and Medical reasons.

Draken based at the Airport is used for training missions up against military pilots. Also Medical flight aircraft operated.

Hence the requirement for the airfield to remain operational.

More than just Passenger Operations at the airport.

[Grumpy1]

Have updated the post to correct the date to show the period prior to the election in May 2021.

[Harold77]

Wow, really amazing you completely changed the post after I completely debunked your comment about 2020.

Lets have a look:
February 2021:
Terminal Passengers 1,172 plus 350 Transit Passengers.
Aberdeen 973
Luton 72 (Charter)
Farnborough 61 (Charter)
Cardiff 66 (Charter)

Aircraft Movements 552, 128 Air Transport, 6 Charter


March 2021:
Terminal Passengers 1,559 plus 463 Transit Passengers.
Aberdeen 1,328
Heathrow 96
Southampton 71 (Charter)
Cardiff 64 (Charter)

Aircraft Movements 758, 184 Air Transport, 4 Charter

So for Feb & March 2021, 59 days that is:
312 Air Transport, 10 Charter Movements
Aberdeen 2,301
Heathrow 96
Charter 334
Transit 813 (Heathrow/ Aberdeen/ Humberside)

Total Passengers 3,544
Flights:
5 RTN Charter
17 RTN Heathrow
139 RTN Aberdeen & Humberside

[onion]

Just to be clear airports don't evict airlines as such. As I understand airlines make the decisions. Airports can influence the airlines.

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by onion

Just to be clear airports don't evict airlines as such. As I understand airlines make the decisions. Airports can influence the airlines.

You can question the terminology, but there is clearly a tale to tell there.

[onion]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

You can question the terminology, but there is clearly a tale to tell there.

I'm sure there is given the arrival of Logan and then subsequent departure of Eastern.

[Get me some traffic]

Under the terms of an aerodrome license, the aerodrome has to be available to all during the published opening hours.
There is nothing to stop said aerodrome making things "easier" for a user.

[N707ZS]

Originally Posted by Get me some traffic

Under the terms of an aerodrome license, the aerodrome has to be available to all during the published opening hours.
There is nothing to stop said aerodrome making things "easier" for a user.

There is also nothing to stop said aerodrome making things harder for a user, GA for example.

[BristolexFlyer]

Oh bore off! Never have so many posts been created about such minor pieces of information!

This is relentless! It could be ignored, but for regular forum attendees, it’s getting pretty tedious!

BristolexFlyer

[N707ZS]

Agreed...!

[Harold77]

Just one week to go til the Planning Committee meeting. Hopefully rubber stamping the development.

Council Planning Officials have recommended approval for the development.

https://www.teessideinternational.co...-at-committee/

[Harold77]

Willis Aviation Village Planning Permission. APPROVED!

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/ne...port-approved/

[SWBKCB]

The locals who didn't want houses in those fields will be looking forward to their new view.

[Cautious Optimist]

I like how it's presented as instead of all the houses, when in reality its probably instead of about 60 odd max and they'll likely never be able to anything else with the remainder of the housing land

But yes very good news and even factoring in the new Draken hangar, probably the first major aviation development on the site during my lifetime!