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After MME was run into the ground, there was a case for Houchen giving MME a big chance... I didn't think at the time it would work out, but the voters backed it, so it went ahead. Covid was deeply unfortunate for the project... but lockdown ended 18 months ago and Covid has ceased having a major impact on UK society for 12 months - plenty of time for any post-Covid latent demand to re-emerge. Loganair dropping routes is not meant to be happening - unless there is another airline about to take them over. KLM have been forced to go from 3x daily pre-Covid to 2x daily. Yes, KLM are selling 3x daily for S23 but with much of their short-haul network, they seem to be regularly putting lots of flights on sale, and then taking a knife to frequencies about 2 months before they will take place. AMS having its annual slots reduced permanently is not a good sign. Maybe with the World Cup, airlines have delayed announcing new routes.... but by 31-Jan-2023, it's time to take a big hard look at MME and decide whether profitability and being a local economy major boost is realistic. Zoom has arrived and is not going to disappear.... business travel has changed.
Middlesbrough, Stockton and the region has been largely forgotten by Westminster - the urban decay make me very sad.... I deeply want it to flourish again, but throwing such a large amount of budget in one direction just doesn't seem to be working.
I would love for Rishi Sunak to move half of HM Treasury to Darlington.. and for many of the civil servants to better factor the needs of the struggling regions into UK spending plans, instead of just seeing what's happening in Surrey. (Disclaimer - I spent some of my childhood in Surrey)
I would love for TVCA or Westminster to spend £10m+ on training hundreds of local people in strong IT skills - not just how to browse the web and send emails.... but to produce a sizeable workforce capable of writing complex software in C#, Java and Python, creating cloud-based applications and building new tech-driven companies. It's been happening in Belfast for some time... it can happen in Teesside as well.
Middlesbrough, Stockton and the region has been largely forgotten by Westminster - the urban decay make me very sad.... I deeply want it to flourish again, but throwing such a large amount of budget in one direction just doesn't seem to be working.
I would love for Rishi Sunak to move half of HM Treasury to Darlington.. and for many of the civil servants to better factor the needs of the struggling regions into UK spending plans, instead of just seeing what's happening in Surrey. (Disclaimer - I spent some of my childhood in Surrey)
I would love for TVCA or Westminster to spend £10m+ on training hundreds of local people in strong IT skills - not just how to browse the web and send emails.... but to produce a sizeable workforce capable of writing complex software in C#, Java and Python, creating cloud-based applications and building new tech-driven companies. It's been happening in Belfast for some time... it can happen in Teesside as well.
Middlesbrough getting huge investments lots of new office buildings being built. These include high tech companies that you so desire to come to the area.
There are lots of educational facilities in the Teesside area that have expanded greatly in recent years. These are some of what is on offer in the area.
Aircraft Maintenance
Airline crew, Travel & Tourism
Motor mechanics
Computer from basic right upto high grade programming
Medical
TV & Film, Broadcasting & Production.
Chemistry, Biologicals & Pharmaceutical
Some of these students have found jobs/ apprenticeships at companies based at Teesside Airport.
Job numbers across the whole airport site has increased by a fair number.
Purchasing of local products to be sold at the airport has increased.
Revenues increased by £2.9m last year, so reckon this year is gfoing to see revenues increase further.
Teesside is on course to having best yearly Terminal Passenger figures since 2012. Aircraft Movements look to be best since 2017.
So Teesside Airport is turning it around and is going to surpass the first year figures of TVCA ownership.
Air Training Schools have increased the number of aircraft based at Teesside.
Draken increasing based aircraft with fleet of 8 Honey Badgers, new hangar, more services being transfered to Teesside.
Willis building huge complex, planning application in already and going through the motions.
Wide body aircraft due to be regular sight Teesside in 2023.
There's a fair few announcements going to be coming as we go through 2023.
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Let's look at the facts, the airport is on track to have it best year for a long time, next year even with this news should see a increase in passengers.
Hopefully things may change with Loganair's position or Eastern make a return.
MME is much more than just passengers though.
When you look at it the airport only owes the 'taxpayer' £10m with a plan to return that money in the long run.
Let's just put that into perspective with NCL who owe the taxpayer £240m and that is only going to get larger!
Hopefully things may change with Loganair's position or Eastern make a return.
MME is much more than just passengers though.
When you look at it the airport only owes the 'taxpayer' £10m with a plan to return that money in the long run.
Let's just put that into perspective with NCL who owe the taxpayer £240m and that is only going to get larger!
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It has been suggested that the demand for regional flights is there but every none bucket and space route established under the new regime has failed. Should we questioning the basis of the deal that was done with Loganair that encouraged them to fly vertually empty aircraft when the rest of the aviation industry was locked down and allegedly provided them with immunity from competition.
Peel had an ambitious development plan that included building some houses but did not include closing the airport as certain dodgy politicians have invented and without the costs and debts that the mayor has passed to the tax payer. With the benefit of hindsight would we have been better sticking with their plan?
Peel had an ambitious development plan that included building some houses but did not include closing the airport as certain dodgy politicians have invented and without the costs and debts that the mayor has passed to the tax payer. With the benefit of hindsight would we have been better sticking with their plan?
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I wasn't suggesting there is anything wrong with being a bucket and spade airport; or that we shouldn't pursue such routes! But there is more than sufficient demand for a nice even mix. I appreciate this forum and social media are designed for this sort of thing; but if some of the statements on here were true, Loganair would have the same information and not launched the routes in the first instance, who are you all to think that you're smarter than qualified executives?!
There's a fair few announcements going to be coming as we go through 2023.
There is no truth to this currently, Mr Harold likes to pretend he's in the know, more so on FB than here, and what he presents as gospel either doesn't materialise or was available in the public domain anyway if you knew where to look.
Originally Posted by Harold77
Wide body aircraft due to be regular sight Teesside in 2023.
Originally Posted by Harold77
There's a fair few announcements going to be coming as we go through 2023.
There is no truth to this currently, Mr Harold likes to pretend he's in the know, more so on FB than here, and what he presents as gospel either doesn't materialise or was available in the public domain anyway if you knew where to look.
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Peel had an ambitious development plan that included building some houses but did not include closing the airport as certain dodgy politicians have invented and without the costs and debts that the mayor has passed to the tax payer. With the benefit of hindsight would we have been better sticking with their plan?
So how come I knew a decade before he came on the scene that the long term plans for Teesside Airport was to close and Ingleby Barwick MkII to be built on the site. This comes from multiple council managers.
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https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news...r-year-3952074
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Funny you say that this story was invented. When did this politician come on scene 2017.
So how come I knew a decade before he came on the scene that the long term plans for Teesside Airport was to close and Ingleby Barwick MkII to be built on the site. This comes from multiple council managers.
So how come I knew a decade before he came on the scene that the long term plans for Teesside Airport was to close and Ingleby Barwick MkII to be built on the site. This comes from multiple council managers.
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This info is in press release from cargo handling agent.
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Amazon would be a more likely freight target… more and more warehouses popping up.
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"Council managers" do not divulge such information, and if you want to close your facility you don't install a new radar, refurbish the terminal, reverse your decision to axe charter flights or release an expensive document through an international professional services network (Deloitte) debunking all of the general publics concerns and conspiracies
An aspiration and nothing more.
An aspiration and nothing more.
You say you don't look to close something after releasing an expensive document through a PR company.
One word: Doncaster
Once the financials start getting towards the tipping point of able to sustain losses before they start making inroads to the equity. It was this why DSA has closed. They got towards the limit where the owners could shoulder the losses before going into negative equity. Walkaway with some profit or walkaway with an overall loss, that was the tipping point that was fast approaching. The same tipping point was approaching for Teesside.
You'd be surprised what info you can get by talking to people regularly. Lot of stuff can be really eye opening.
You say you don't look to close something after releasing an expensive document through a PR company.
One word: Doncaster
Once the financials start getting towards the tipping point of able to sustain losses before they start making inroads to the equity. It was this why DSA has closed. They got towards the limit where the owners could shoulder the losses before going into negative equity. Walkaway with some profit or walkaway with an overall loss, that was the tipping point that was fast approaching. The same tipping point was approaching for Teesside.
You say you don't look to close something after releasing an expensive document through a PR company.
One word: Doncaster
Once the financials start getting towards the tipping point of able to sustain losses before they start making inroads to the equity. It was this why DSA has closed. They got towards the limit where the owners could shoulder the losses before going into negative equity. Walkaway with some profit or walkaway with an overall loss, that was the tipping point that was fast approaching. The same tipping point was approaching for Teesside.
The point that seems to be lost on people is that the bulk of the bucket and spade operators that provided the routes in years past no longer exist following the low-cost boom. The landscape has changed completely. It’s why DSA never really took off and why Teesside (and Humberside) are at much lower than their peak numbers. Do t see it changing any time soon.
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You'd be surprised what info you can get by talking to people regularly. Lot of stuff can be really eye opening.
You say you don't look to close something after releasing an expensive document through a PR company.
One word: Doncaster
Once the financials start getting towards the tipping point of able to sustain losses before they start making inroads to the equity. It was this why DSA has closed. They got towards the limit where the owners could shoulder the losses before going into negative equity. Walkaway with some profit or walkaway with an overall loss, that was the tipping point that was fast approaching. The same tipping point was approaching for Teesside.
You say you don't look to close something after releasing an expensive document through a PR company.
One word: Doncaster
Once the financials start getting towards the tipping point of able to sustain losses before they start making inroads to the equity. It was this why DSA has closed. They got towards the limit where the owners could shoulder the losses before going into negative equity. Walkaway with some profit or walkaway with an overall loss, that was the tipping point that was fast approaching. The same tipping point was approaching for Teesside.
No one has mentioned the competition on the Dublin route Ryanair at Newcastle and Easyjet on the Belfast. Perhaps if Ryanair could be persuaded to return on the Dublin flight and say Flybe on Belfast the demand might be satisfied.
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So in reality the mayor has only paid market value for the airport.
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The real question has to be asked was why the 6 local councils sold their share for 500k to be split between the 6 councils. When the land value was about £40m back then, the councils could have at least sold their shares for many millions.
So in reality the mayor has only paid market value for the airport.
So in reality the mayor has only paid market value for the airport.
The £500k always gets a mention but there was also a commitment to invest £20m over 5 years as part of the deal.
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How much will Harold?Ben put in over the next 5 years?
The airport accounts reveal millions are being spent here and there, but there isn't any proper oversight,
Then there are the friends of you know who waiting in the wings to see how long the public gravy train will last. Will they get it for £1 or a nod and a wink?
My bet is the current mayor will be out at the next election, and the public bank will close. More of the TVA money will go to local areas.
Will the airport survive if the private friends take over? Maybe as a private jet centre, or something like a Bagby to break up the salvage planes.
Some who talk a good story will walk away with a large bank balance, and probably a seat in the House of Lords.
Out of interest do the councillors shown as directors on the Companies House listing receive any remuneration??
https://find-and-update.company-info...20423/officers
Then there are the friends of you know who waiting in the wings to see how long the public gravy train will last. Will they get it for £1 or a nod and a wink?
My bet is the current mayor will be out at the next election, and the public bank will close. More of the TVA money will go to local areas.
Will the airport survive if the private friends take over? Maybe as a private jet centre, or something like a Bagby to break up the salvage planes.
Some who talk a good story will walk away with a large bank balance, and probably a seat in the House of Lords.
Out of interest do the councillors shown as directors on the Companies House listing receive any remuneration??
https://find-and-update.company-info...20423/officers