Wikiposts
Search
Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

Teesside-2

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 6th Dec 2023, 16:37
  #2621 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Teesside
Posts: 643
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Faro

Looks like movement on the App.

Whilst nothing yet for sale, you can select dates on Wednesday and Sunday and see the greyed out times over the summer. Feels like it should be on sale soon.
P330 is online now  
Old 6th Dec 2023, 18:28
  #2622 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: on the border line
Posts: 672
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Faro..thank goodness…we can all go and hibernate for the winter now!
highwideandugly is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2023, 22:33
  #2623 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: 4DME
Posts: 2,932
Likes: 0
Received 12 Likes on 10 Posts
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
How much has the Trust collected or given away?

Only MAG from your list has any element of public ownership. Only Teesside is whole publically owned apart from the charity element.
We have been told the Southside has been gifted to developers, so not the whole site anymore.
N707ZS is online now  
Old 6th Dec 2023, 22:38
  #2624 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: North East
Posts: 523
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by N707ZS
We have been told the Southside has been gifted to developers, so not the whole site anymore.
So how can they move the fence line?
No one has actually provided clear evidence yet of what you claim!

Last edited by onion; 7th Dec 2023 at 06:31.
onion is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2023, 23:01
  #2625 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: 4DME
Posts: 2,932
Likes: 0
Received 12 Likes on 10 Posts
No clear evidence, its the same as who owns the Steelworks site at Redcar. You can see on the developers plans this is the designated aviation area. Would any developer say no to Willis wanting to use the land to park some planes, land thats making them nothing. And Willis being the Alpha company at the airport.

N707ZS is online now  
Old 6th Dec 2023, 23:30
  #2626 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: Teesside
Posts: 284
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It is a 50/50 joint venture the Southside between the airport and the development company.
Airport remains owners of the land and it is in a form of lease to the joint venture the development area.
That is how I understood the documentation.
Harold77 is offline  
Old 7th Dec 2023, 06:43
  #2627 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: North East
Posts: 523
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by N707ZS
No clear evidence, its the same as who owns the Steelworks site at Redcar. You can see on the developers plans this is the designated aviation area. Would any developer say no to Willis wanting to use the land to park some planes, land thats making them nothing. And Willis being the Alpha company at the airport.
Yes evidence, what you ve done here is to provide a picture and your thoughts on the matter.
Harold has provided a more realistic breakdown of the situation, but its still not evidence. We've been over it serveral times and no one has provided that evidence of the claim the land was gifted.
onion is offline  
Old 7th Dec 2023, 07:04
  #2628 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2022
Location: UK
Posts: 200
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
"We've been over it serveral times and no one has provided that evidence of the claim the land was gifted".

Should we even be having this conversation? Somehow a publicly owned asset ended up being partly owned by private individuals or a private company that just happen to well known to the mayor but we still dont know why the deal was done or why it appears to have done in secret or even how much, if anything, was paid, or do we? Surely, this should all be in the public domain and is it not reasonable to expect the mayors office to address questions from the press and others?
Grumpy1 is online now  
Old 7th Dec 2023, 07:18
  #2629 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 8,585
Received 94 Likes on 64 Posts
Bringing us back to the earlier subject, these sorts of questions have been asked by the TVCA audit and scrutiny committee, but because of the ownership structure of Teesside Airport (i.e. the involvement of private entities Stobart/Esken and now the Trust), these are commercially confidential matters.
SWBKCB is online now  
Old 7th Dec 2023, 07:33
  #2630 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 8,585
Received 94 Likes on 64 Posts
Originally Posted by P330
Looks like movement on the App.

Whilst nothing yet for sale, you can select dates on Wednesday and Sunday and see the greyed out times over the summer. Feels like it should be on sale soon.
Now on sale
SWBKCB is online now  
Old 7th Dec 2023, 07:35
  #2631 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2022
Location: UK
Posts: 200
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
“These are commercially confidential matters”

But nobody should be surprised when eyebrows are raised if this the explanation offered as to why the public cannot learn about the deal that results in the mayors mates gaining public assets. As it is all above board would it not be better to explain?
Grumpy1 is online now  
Old 7th Dec 2023, 08:41
  #2632 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2022
Location: UK
Posts: 200
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Ryanair have anounced 21 new routes but sadly nothing for us. Kind of undermines the lack of aircraft excuse however.
Grumpy1 is online now  
Old 7th Dec 2023, 08:58
  #2633 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: 4DME
Posts: 2,932
Likes: 0
Received 12 Likes on 10 Posts
Originally Posted by Grumpy1
"We've been over it serveral times and no one has provided that evidence of the claim the land was gifted".

Should we even be having this conversation? Somehow a publicly owned asset ended up being partly owned by private individuals or a private company that just happen to well known to the mayor but we still dont know why the deal was done or why it appears to have done in secret or even how much, if anything, was paid, or do we? Surely, this should all be in the public domain and is it not reasonable to expect the mayors office to address questions from the press and others?
The elephant in the room is who gets what. We have been told that the Southside development was necessary to fund the passenger side. With more fingers in the pot does the airport get less?
N707ZS is online now  
Old 7th Dec 2023, 10:22
  #2634 (permalink)  
pug
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: A post-punk postcard fair
Posts: 1,375
Received 89 Likes on 53 Posts
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Bringing us back to the earlier subject, these sorts of questions have been asked by the TVCA audit and scrutiny committee, but because of the ownership structure of Teesside Airport (i.e. the involvement of private entities Stobart/Esken and now the Trust), these are commercially confidential matters.
Exactly and any question as to the reason behind making such a decision to structure ownership that way gets shot down for being politically motivated. This is not the case from my standpoint, no suggestion from my point of view that anything illegal or underhand is happening, just an observation that it might be construed as dodgy.

Good to see FAO loaded at last!
pug is offline  
Old 7th Dec 2023, 11:02
  #2635 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 8,585
Received 94 Likes on 64 Posts
Don't forget it is our money being spent.
SWBKCB is online now  
Old 10th Dec 2023, 10:31
  #2636 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: 4DME
Posts: 2,932
Likes: 0
Received 12 Likes on 10 Posts
All that blurb last week and they forgot to say anything about the new bus service between Stockton and Darlington stopping at the airport.
Spoiler
 
N707ZS is online now  
Old 11th Dec 2023, 11:06
  #2637 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: on the border line
Posts: 672
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
According to another site..the access road to the south side development is now closed and blocked off..guy not sure why and for how long..any ideas anyone?
highwideandugly is offline  
Old 11th Dec 2023, 16:16
  #2638 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2022
Location: UK
Posts: 200
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The south side appears to have been mothballed with the contractors leaving the site with site buildings and compounds removed. One large building has been completed but there appears no evidence of it being fitted out and as far as can be seen no work has started on the further buildings.
A temporary fence with a gate and cctv cameras have been erected just beyond the access to the farms but the gate can be opened for the new access to the fire school.
There are no longer workmen around to quiz about what is or isn’t happening although we have previously been informed that if and when new tenants sign up then further buildings will be constructed although so far the mayor has not announced any tenants.
Grumpy1 is online now  
Old 15th Dec 2023, 17:04
  #2639 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: Teesside
Posts: 284
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
October figures

Terminal Passengers 21,949
Aircraft Movements 1,686

Terminal Passengers breaking through the 200k barrier which was last seen in 2010.
Harold77 is offline  
Old 15th Dec 2023, 17:29
  #2640 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 8,585
Received 94 Likes on 64 Posts
Originally Posted by Harold77
October figures

Terminal Passengers 21,949
Aircraft Movements 1,686

Terminal Passengers breaking through the 200k barrier which was last seen in 2010.
And with credit to Teesside Movements, aircraft movements down for the fourth month in a row.
SWBKCB is online now  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.