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The planning application. The plans look really impressive. 5 new hangars.
https://www.darlington.gov.uk/enviro...ations-online/
https://www.darlington.gov.uk/enviro...ations-online/
Is it just me, or have all the planning documents disappeared from the Darlington council website?
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To continue the MME discussion on the DSA thread in the correct place, it is true we miss out on almost all diversions these days when back in the day we used to be the second most diverted-to airfield in the country after Birmingham which only pipped us because it took Londons traffic.
I was once told this was due to airlines favouring airports where they have engineering in place, however I would have thought the arrival of Willis if not even Sycamore before them would have mitigated this, so can't be that clear cut. In any event there must be a reason
I was once told this was due to airlines favouring airports where they have engineering in place, however I would have thought the arrival of Willis if not even Sycamore before them would have mitigated this, so can't be that clear cut. In any event there must be a reason
No airline staff on duty
Not 24 hours
Parking restrictions
Other airfields equipment better
Bus availability
Aircraft now have more modern equipment
Might be other reasons?
Was Manchester not way out in front for diversions ?
Can’t remember when Teesside was the go to place for diversions..I must admit!
On another slightly linked theme..will the 727s arriving put a bit of a strain on available stands going forward?
Maybe it’s time for the mayor to extend the apron and improve taxiways now?
Not 24 hours
Parking restrictions
Other airfields equipment better
Bus availability
Aircraft now have more modern equipment
Might be other reasons?
Was Manchester not way out in front for diversions ?
Can’t remember when Teesside was the go to place for diversions..I must admit!
On another slightly linked theme..will the 727s arriving put a bit of a strain on available stands going forward?
Maybe it’s time for the mayor to extend the apron and improve taxiways now?
I was once told this was due to airlines favouring airports where they have engineering in place, however I would have thought the arrival of Willis if not even Sycamore before them would have mitigated this, so can't be that clear cut. In any event there must be a reason
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Also use to come down to how familiar pilots were with the airfield.
When training was done by circuit bashing more pilots were familiar with MME.
Now it's done alot in the sim, so MME may not be as well known. There is also the schools element and general GA situation, in that there is a current push from management for what ever reason that has lead to MME being viewed as being unfavourable to light GA which is where airline pilots often start!
Hence there is an element of awareness when it come to diverts too!
When training was done by circuit bashing more pilots were familiar with MME.
Now it's done alot in the sim, so MME may not be as well known. There is also the schools element and general GA situation, in that there is a current push from management for what ever reason that has lead to MME being viewed as being unfavourable to light GA which is where airline pilots often start!
Hence there is an element of awareness when it come to diverts too!
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Also use to come down to how familiar pilots were with the airfield.
When training was done by circuit bashing more pilots were familiar with MME.
Now it's done alot in the sim, so MME may not be as well known. There is also the schools element and general GA situation, in that there is a current push from management for what ever reason that has lead to MME being viewed as being unfavourable to light GA which is where airline pilots often start!
Hence there is an element of awareness when it come to diverts too!
When training was done by circuit bashing more pilots were familiar with MME.
Now it's done alot in the sim, so MME may not be as well known. There is also the schools element and general GA situation, in that there is a current push from management for what ever reason that has lead to MME being viewed as being unfavourable to light GA which is where airline pilots often start!
Hence there is an element of awareness when it come to diverts too!
From the point of view of being an airline Captain... the above is not so accurate. Diverts come down to; Weather (forecast), Nav aids etc, but most importantly whether the company has a commercial agreement and the airport has the facilities needed. (at least for my company). Of all the airports I trained at... It would make little difference to me as an alternate. An ILS is an ILS, a runway is a runway, Same S*** different numbers and all that. Airports and Airlines simply come down to commercial decisions and the incentives on offer to operate there.
This is the problem, so much emphasis seems to be placed on the facilities of an airport (length of runway, nav aids, motorway access etc) and very little consideration for why airlines choose airports like Leeds where they are susceptible to poor weather and surface access. It’s simple. Passenger demand! These places have large catchment areas so the airlines make it work. It’s why Leeds and Newcastle will always usurp MME, and is why DSA has ultimately failed. No passengers = no money = no airline, weather constraints and inadequate facilities are just an occupational hazard.
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From the point of view of being an airline Captain... the above is not so accurate. Diverts come down to; Weather (forecast), Nav aids etc, but most importantly whether the company has a commercial agreement and the airport has the facilities needed. (at least for my company). Of all the airports I trained at... It would make little difference to me as an alternate. An ILS is an ILS, a runway is a runway, Same S*** different numbers and all that. Airports and Airlines simply come down to commercial decisions and the incentives on offer to operate there.
Currently MME loses out to others due to having only a few companies with relative small
In general terms it ‘loses out’ to not having based operators, that’s all. General awareness matters not one jot when you’re following the magenta line. I could be wrong but I don’t think MME could build a business on being a poor weather diversion point to be honest.
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All I said was 'there use to be' other factors, I'm talking 20 years plus ago.
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As an example, Jet2 will always try and divert to a company base where possible, if that isn't possible, divert to an operating destination. TUI do the same. The best we can hope for for diversions into Teesside are those operators who operate both into Teesside and other local airports e.g. Ryanair, KLM and Loganair.
As others have said, there's nothing worse than diverting at 10pm to somewhere where you aren't expected, have few staff on duty and have no contracts in place for handling, fuel, hotels, busses etc. In the case of an emergency, all of those considerations go out of the window however.
As others have said, there's nothing worse than diverting at 10pm to somewhere where you aren't expected, have few staff on duty and have no contracts in place for handling, fuel, hotels, busses etc. In the case of an emergency, all of those considerations go out of the window however.
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Heard tonight the engineering support for the 72s may not be coming to Teesside.
The person I spoke to was ex 2excel and still worked on a sub contract basis for them.
They suggested that the Cardiff base may of been better suited to the engineering support.
Hopefully something will be put in place to support the move to Teesside for the long term.
The person I spoke to was ex 2excel and still worked on a sub contract basis for them.
They suggested that the Cardiff base may of been better suited to the engineering support.
Hopefully something will be put in place to support the move to Teesside for the long term.
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To continue the MME discussion on the DSA thread in the correct place, it is true we miss out on almost all diversions these days when back in the day we used to be the second most diverted-to airfield in the country after Birmingham which only pipped us because it took Londons traffic.