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Ben managed to recycle some old news ..needed it after poor airport press recently?
Absolutely no doubt that planning permission will be approved.
Down side is…the terminal appears to be fully constricted for growth as buildings either side.
Not sure what the maximum theoretical capacity of the terminal will be in the future ?
Absolutely no doubt that planning permission will be approved.
Down side is…the terminal appears to be fully constricted for growth as buildings either side.
Not sure what the maximum theoretical capacity of the terminal will be in the future ?
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As per my earlier post, then in noting the requirement for the development of ancillary services for MME site then the "Willis" connection is an interesting one.
My initial observation is that this is basically a 100% based multi $million operation where much of it's revenue arises from aircraft leasing & related services.
It's operations, financial strength are set out in very comprehensive format in their annual accounts filed in the U.S. They are easily accessible from internet, though to facilitate I have attached a link :-
https://www.willislease.com/pdf/annu...ort%202021.pdf
IMHO Willis are attracted to MME purely on the condition of "significant" financial support in the form of grants that would be available to any credible organisation submitting an application for grant funding based on the creation of 200+ jobs.
To carry out such a project in the UK then a new company has recently been incorporated "Willis Aviation Services Limited" run by directors of Willis Lease Finance company (above).
As to how much that these guys are proposing to invest into the project is unclear, though no doubt this particular issue will be window dressed by "Uncle Ben" in his crusade to move his MME development project forward.
The concept appears very attractive and relevant, it remains to be seen as to how viable it is & where the support for the future maintenance & operation of the airfield itself is to come from.
My initial observation is that this is basically a 100% based multi $million operation where much of it's revenue arises from aircraft leasing & related services.
It's operations, financial strength are set out in very comprehensive format in their annual accounts filed in the U.S. They are easily accessible from internet, though to facilitate I have attached a link :-
https://www.willislease.com/pdf/annu...ort%202021.pdf
IMHO Willis are attracted to MME purely on the condition of "significant" financial support in the form of grants that would be available to any credible organisation submitting an application for grant funding based on the creation of 200+ jobs.
To carry out such a project in the UK then a new company has recently been incorporated "Willis Aviation Services Limited" run by directors of Willis Lease Finance company (above).
As to how much that these guys are proposing to invest into the project is unclear, though no doubt this particular issue will be window dressed by "Uncle Ben" in his crusade to move his MME development project forward.
The concept appears very attractive and relevant, it remains to be seen as to how viable it is & where the support for the future maintenance & operation of the airfield itself is to come from.
Skyman771 an un mentioned company called ADL has appeared at Teesside they seem to be involved in all ground work of buildings to final demolition of Willis aircraft. It never appears in the mayors comments in the media.
A small housing estate on adjoining land might just fit the bill and provide added income during down time periods of no flights🤔😀
On which subject..is there any sign of a winter timetable yet with only 3 ish months left to go?
On which subject..is there any sign of a winter timetable yet with only 3 ish months left to go?
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Loganair’s winter schedule appears to be on sale at least
Long way to go… I see Newcastle talking about 900k passengers through the doors of the six week school holiday period.
Rough work out for here is around 30k
As I said..it’s a long road ahead!
Rough work out for here is around 30k
As I said..it’s a long road ahead!
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Please explain why passengers are the be all and end all?
Don't see you comparing Oxford, Lydd or Gloucestershire airports!
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Don't you mean the other way round?
If you compare May 19 with May 22 MME has expanded and NCL has contracted, both in passengers and aircraft movements!
Let's gets some clear understanding here. Passengers are not the be all and end all of any comparison for an airport like MME, there is so much more. Direct comparisons are unfair and play into certain peoples agendas to belittle MME. Rather than comparing it with NCL actually do a comparison with it's own previous statistics. If you do that MME is expanding.
And before people moan about the debt, go and look at NCL's debt and ponder how that is going to be paid by the taxpayers!
If you compare May 19 with May 22 MME has expanded and NCL has contracted, both in passengers and aircraft movements!
Let's gets some clear understanding here. Passengers are not the be all and end all of any comparison for an airport like MME, there is so much more. Direct comparisons are unfair and play into certain peoples agendas to belittle MME. Rather than comparing it with NCL actually do a comparison with it's own previous statistics. If you do that MME is expanding.
And before people moan about the debt, go and look at NCL's debt and ponder how that is going to be paid by the taxpayers!
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There is indeed far more to an airport than just passengers. There is cargo/freight as well, as exemplified by Liege in Belgium which has pax numbers comparable to MME. How much freight passed through NCL so far this year, and how much through MME ?
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As I said MME is moving forward NCL has actually gone back!
Care to explain that situation?
Strange argument🤔
I was merely pointing out the differential in passenger output..and that the mayor has a long road ahead to improve..in his words the “connectivity” of the airport!
I was merely pointing out the differential in passenger output..and that the mayor has a long road ahead to improve..in his words the “connectivity” of the airport!
As I said MME is moving forward NCL has actually gone back!
MME is an airport being developed from a very low base, so any small increase in flights has a massive impact on the stats. And if we are talking numbers, MME has fewer airline departures this week than the same week last year - another meaningless stat.
Your basic point though is right, pax number are not the be all and end all - one of the the aims is to be a Business Park with a runway in the middle to attract aviation related business and well-paid, skilled jobs - like Draken and like Willis.
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If you want to play games, NCL is an established international airport still recovering from Covid like the rest of the airport sector - look at CAA stats for evidence.
MME is an airport being developed from a very low base, so any small increase in flights has a massive impact on the stats. And if we are talking numbers, MME has fewer airline departures this week than the same week last year - another meaningless stat.
MME is an airport being developed from a very low base, so any small increase in flights has a massive impact on the stats. And if we are talking numbers, MME has fewer airline departures this week than the same week last year - another meaningless stat.
If you compare MME with HUY (which I'd rather not) HUY was pushing more flights and more pax in May 2019 than MME but that position has reversed.
I didn't start the meaningless stats argument. I'm literally pointing out that people are using meaningless stats for their own moaning agenda against an airport that is moving forward.
Yeh..but my dad’s bigger than your dad!😀
Onion , you are quite right, the airport is putting other more established airports in the area to shame with the recent proposed development announcements..inc. the Freeport et al.
Onion , you are quite right, the airport is putting other more established airports in the area to shame with the recent proposed development announcements..inc. the Freeport et al.
If a piece of land with a runway has neither passenger or cargo transport activity... would an ordinary person on the street really consider it as an airport... or is it really an industrial site with some very unusual usage of land ?
My point is that the further away MME gets from the ordinary commercial transport of people and goods... the further it gets from what non-aviation people associate with an airport, and the consequent implications for public support from local people.
If it ends up hosting thousands of high skill jobs, that's great and it will be recognised by the local populace... but if it becomes something closer to just a noisy factory paying minimum wage, then local people may start to wonder how the runway facility is useful to them and why it should consume tax subsidies which could be used for other purposes in the region
My point is that the further away MME gets from the ordinary commercial transport of people and goods... the further it gets from what non-aviation people associate with an airport, and the consequent implications for public support from local people.
If it ends up hosting thousands of high skill jobs, that's great and it will be recognised by the local populace... but if it becomes something closer to just a noisy factory paying minimum wage, then local people may start to wonder how the runway facility is useful to them and why it should consume tax subsidies which could be used for other purposes in the region
If a piece of land with a runway has neither passenger or cargo transport activity... would an ordinary person on the street really consider it as an airport... or is it really an industrial site with some very unusual usage of land ?
My point is that the further away MME gets from the ordinary commercial transport of people and goods... the further it gets from what non-aviation people associate with an airport, and the consequent implications for public support from local people.
If it ends up hosting thousands of high skill jobs, that's great and it will be recognised by the local populace... but if it becomes something closer to just a noisy factory paying minimum wage, then local people may start to wonder how the runway facility is useful to them and why it should consume tax subsidies which could be used for other purposes in the region
My point is that the further away MME gets from the ordinary commercial transport of people and goods... the further it gets from what non-aviation people associate with an airport, and the consequent implications for public support from local people.
If it ends up hosting thousands of high skill jobs, that's great and it will be recognised by the local populace... but if it becomes something closer to just a noisy factory paying minimum wage, then local people may start to wonder how the runway facility is useful to them and why it should consume tax subsidies which could be used for other purposes in the region
But to quote the recent comments coming out of the airport it's about "sweating the assetts" - using everything that is available, so not just relying on pax through the terminal - the point made by Onion above. So a business park with a runway in the middle is 'one of the aims' (as I said above), but this is additional to a bustling terminal
Have they got everything right? no. Are there questions about the way somethings have been done? yes. But the general direction of travel is positive.