Teesside-2

[Harold77]

Originally Posted by Markushillman

I should say Amsterdam seems to be reduced to x2 daily during just July and August, otherwise its 3x daily for the remaining summer season months

Teesside - Amsterdam
​​​​​​06:20 - 08:40
09:55 - 12:10

Amsterdam - Teesside
09:15 - 09:25
21:35 - 21:45

Id suggest that with this deal the 3rd daily will come back and a rotation somewhere else (from Amsterdam). Or you will go 4x daily like cities such as Norwich have during the Summer. As those times aren't very crew friendly.

Will this be the son of Concorde 10mins AMS-MME. WOW

[onion]

Originally Posted by Harold77

Will this be the son of Concorde 10mins AMS-MME. WOW

Guessing they are local times!

[Markushillman]

Originally Posted by Harold77

Will this be the son of Concorde 10mins AMS-MME. WOW

Haha, think the old time difference is at play here 😉

[pug]

Originally Posted by highwideandugly

Aberdeen..not yet!

I would hope that KLM have specified that the aircraft and crew are used solely for services on behalf of KLM. Otherwise you will see random charters in the middle of the schedule, with the inevitable tech issue out of the network and ensuing reduction in reliability. Hope this is not a bad sign regarding the longevity of KLM at MME and HUY..

[mmeteesside]

Originally Posted by Markushillman

I should say Amsterdam seems to be reduced to x2 daily during just July and August, otherwise its 3x daily for the remaining summer season months

Teesside - Amsterdam
​​​​​​06:20 - 08:40
09:55 - 12:10

Amsterdam - Teesside
09:15 - 09:25
21:35 - 21:45

Id suggest that with this deal the 3rd daily will come back and a rotation somewhere else (from Amsterdam). Or you will go 4x daily like cities such as Norwich have during the Summer. As those times aren't very crew friendly.

Even at the current times 3x daily I’d guess you require 3 sets of crew (changing at 0930 and 1700)? Unless your middle rotation was somewhere nearby like NCL or LBA and you could swap there? Would that be doable in duty periods or would they still need a hotel, in which case it really makes no difference where your night stop is…

[N707ZS]

German Airways and at least Transavia have been operating many other KLM flights for months. But not into Teesside.

[Markushillman]

Originally Posted by mmeteesside

Even at the current times 3x daily I’d guess you require 3 sets of crew (changing at 0930 and 1700)? Unless your middle rotation was somewhere nearby like NCL or LBA and you could swap there? Would that be doable in duty periods or would they still need a hotel, in which case it really makes no difference where your night stop is…

Most likely

MME-AMS
​​​​​AMS-MME
MME-AMS
AMS -MME

Crew change around 1-2pm back at MME

MME - AMS
AMS - ?
? - AMS
AMS - MME

I work in airline ops doing schedules, so that's how my brain would work it. But this is Eastern so could be anything

[mmeteesside]

Originally Posted by Markushillman

Most likely

MME-AMS
​​​​​AMS-MME
MME-AMS
AMS -MME

Crew change around 1-2pm back at MME

MME - AMS
AMS - ?
? - AMS
AMS - MME

I work in airline ops doing schedules, so that's how my brain would work it. But this is Eastern so could be anything

That’s the way I would work it too but would they want to swap the 5pm departure for a lunchtime one? Time will tell I guess!

[Markushillman]

Originally Posted by mmeteesside

That’s the way I would work it too but would they want to swap the 5pm departure for a lunchtime one? Time will tell I guess!

possibly not but with my local NWI the 4x daily summer schedule would fit in perfectly with that, the question mark being MME and the 4-5pm evening rotation

[SWBKCB]

KLM will know their UK regional routes like the back of their hand. Doubt they'll be adjusting their scheduling to suit Eastern's crewing needs.

[Grumpy1]

They started to interview candidates living close to MME about a month ago so that may give a clue.

[BristolexFlyer]

8 sectors a day, I suspect along the lines of what KLM used to do at HUY with the F100 at one point.

HUY-AMS AMS-HUY
HUY-AMS AMS-HUY
HUY-AMS AMS-STN
STN-AMS AMS-HUY

Same theory for the HUY based a/c.

Kind regards

BristolexFlyer

[N707ZS]

Originally Posted by Grumpy1

They started to interview candidates living close to MME about a month ago so that may give a clue.

Were the jobs advertised as temporary?

[Diff Tail Shim]

Originally Posted by highwideandugly

So Amsterdam reduced to two returns(larger aircraft) and two Aberdeen returns ?

Goodbye Loganair!

I think not.. 🤔

[P330]

I don't believe there is any impact on Aberdeen at all here. As far as I can see, that remains with Loganair and no suggestion that Eastern will join in,

However, if I can contribute to the rumour mill with a thought....I would bet the powers that be are desperate to try and get a Malaga rotation in on a weekend whilst the MME based aircraft is a little quieter for S24! Maybe a possibility until the Ryanair eventually lands....

[SWBKCB]

Which will depend on the terms of their contract with KLM - do they want the a/c going off on private ventures? Given Easterns record of prioritising charters over flying for others, you'd think not but the German Awys E190's have done so.

[Markushillman]

Credit to @@SeanM1997 on X

KLM S24 (non peak summer) - up to daily flights:

Aberdeen -5
Belfast City -1
Birmingham -5
Bristol -4
Cardiff -3
Edinburgh -5
Glasgow -5
Humberside -3
Inverness -2
Leeds -3
London City -9
London Heathrow -8
Manchester -6
Newcastle -5
Norwich -4
Southampton -3
Teesside -3

STC

[mmeman]

Looks like the KLM booking engine is in the process of being updated - all flights from April 2024 showing as an Embraer 190, reamining 3 daily during the week but an extra flight from Amsterdam on a Saturday night, and an extra one to Amsterdam on a Sunday morning.

[P330]

Going to be interesting to see how reliable and resilient this service is. Eastern aren’t known for their service and punctuality, but wonder if this will be different given it’s a KLM plan?

If HUY are also on the 190 that’s both of their 190s occupied all week with limited downtime.

Fingers crossed it works!

My earlier Malaga suggestion feels far less of a prospect this morning.

[Atlantic Explorer]

Originally Posted by P330

Going to be interesting to see how reliable and resilient this service is. Eastern aren’t known for their service and punctuality, but wonder if this will be different given it’s a KLM plan?

If HUY are also on the 190 that’s both of their 190s occupied all week with limited downtime.

Fingers crossed it works!

My earlier Malaga suggestion feels far less of a prospect this morning.

Judging by their performance on the ORY routes, it’s not looking good. I’d expect cancellations aplenty. KLM must be desperate getting into bed with Eastern.