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Old 23rd Jun 2022, 17:19
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I must be unlucky as Iíve never achieved security clearing less than 30 minutes. Today T1B I thought 11am would be off peak, but it took me 40 minutes to clear through that sweat box of T1B today, Thursday.
Hardly any free seats in the Terminal, people sat on floors eating chips.
The staff were friendly & people were being pushed from T1 to T1B which only had 3 lanes open.

Unable to get into any lounges with passes as ďfull to capacityĒ only pre books allowed.
The whole process grim & unpleasant.

On the bag scanning, I use the same bag with the same benign contents everywhere. It has never been pulled for secondary anywhere in the world, except MAN - itís 50/50 it gets stopped - today was a lucky day in that respect
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Old 23rd Jun 2022, 22:00
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Originally Posted by AndrewH52 View Post
I believe their new scanners have that capability however it remains a DfT requirement for liquids to be presented at the security screening point.
it doesnít at other airports using the latest technology, including a few lanes at LHR and even SEN
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Old 24th Jun 2022, 08:18
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It is a numbers game and every now and then bags get pulled for secondary screening.
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Old 24th Jun 2022, 15:58
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Originally Posted by Mr A Tis View Post
I must be unlucky as Iíve never achieved security clearing less than 30 minutes.
You must be the unluckiest person in the world...

In my ~300 flights from MAN, I'd say 90% were < 10 minutes. The rest between 10 and 20 minutes.

The only time I can recall it being longer was about 10 years ago on a MAN-DXB flight just before Christmas. The queue in T1 was huge, and took around an hour.
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Old 24th Jun 2022, 17:39
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Originally Posted by BTNH View Post
It is a numbers game and every now and then bags get pulled for secondary screening.
Wrong, wrong, wrong! MAN has an incredibly high secondary screening rate, partly poor technology, partly people
leaving in liquids and mainly staff being terrified of the sack. It is a VERY particular airport that skews the numbers game enormously.
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Old 24th Jun 2022, 17:54
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot View Post
Wrong, wrong, wrong! MAN has an incredibly high secondary screening rate, partly poor technology, partly people leaving in liquids and mainly staff being terrified of the sack. It is a VERY particular airport that skews the numbers game enormously.
There are many and varied issues round liquids imho. Including the cosmetics industries - you would think they would by now be promoting the smaller aerosols , however the rule is pretty pathetic anyway indeed the 100mils is an arbitrary number not set by science , more rather risk assessors .

As for Manchester truth be known ; is it not the profile of tourists going to the beach and general levels of ignorance (Not in a disrespectful way) that delivers such high rate failures

The fact that there have never been an interception of a potential chemical bomb Anywhere suggests the genuine risk threat to be Infinitesimally small.

Your comment on employment risk ( low pay contract even agency) is however somewhat valid
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Old 24th Jun 2022, 19:14
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The fact that there have never been an interception of a potential chemical bomb Anywhere suggests the genuine risk threat to be Infinitesimally small.
Or the deterrent effect is very effective!
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Old 24th Jun 2022, 22:54
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As for Manchester truth be known ; is it not the profile of tourists going to the beach and general levels of ignorance (Not in a disrespectful way) that delivers such high rate failures
Given LGW which has a similar high % of outbound Brits off on hols to sunspots and has some of the most effecient security in the UK, I would say not. LGW, EDI, GLA, LHR all have new security halls. Does the T2 rebuild still use the old security hall and scanners?
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Old 25th Jun 2022, 01:35
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GLA security upgrade as part of terminal extension was in 2008 which might be stretching definition of *new"
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Old 25th Jun 2022, 09:32
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Or the deterrent effect is very effective!
I couldn’t possibly say and I am not arguing for no control measures either !

Through much indeed most of the current measures are largely for show.

Many many holes remain in security where there is the potential for much higher risk.

There is literally no evidence of a viable explosive being constructed from 120mill of two everyday cosmetic jells mixed in a toilet the size of a matchbox.

And indeed removal and incinerating Shannon’s Amber Soleil or Granny’s bottle of Chanel No5 without knowledge of testing or otherwise inspection methods via specific designed and subject to independent rigour systems and practices, doesn’t even provide useful data on the effective deterrence or otherwise .

The measure is half cock period and classic of political legislation developed on the hop.

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Old 25th Jun 2022, 09:40
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot View Post
Given LGW which has a similar high % of outbound Brits off on hols to sunspots and has some of the most effecient security in the UK, I would say not. LGW, EDI, GLA, LHR all have new security halls. Does the T2 rebuild still use the old security hall and scanners?
Last part donít know havenít use T2 at Manchester for some years ( last time was to Hong Kong)

Yet Gatwick also has departure security issues also related to jells and potions!

I am far from supportive of the Manchester Security operation indeed if you go back a few months you will find I advocated for the replacement of the MAG Group head of security on account of their zealous delivery in these very matters.

And also said and confirmed above that the culture and reward mechanisms for security staff at MAG appear to suck !


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Old 25th Jun 2022, 23:02
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe View Post
GLA security upgrade as part of terminal extension was in 2008 which might be stretching definition of *new"
Wow that long ago? Am getting old(er) LOL! In fairness though, it was a new build 21st century facility, maybe that's more accurate, like Gatwick's. I used to dread my regular trips through T3, it's just not set up to succeed.
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Old 26th Jun 2022, 19:31
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I dropped some neighbors at the airport in Palma for a return Jet 2 flight to Man at lunchtime, and picked up some of my wife girlfriends who are staying with us over here for 7 days (I am leaving Tuesday !!), which had been delayed by about an hour on the inbound. However when I checked that flight, and others all seemed to be suffering a similar delay, is the MAN passenger issue with security still on going or was it tech issue as no announcement from flight deck on return ? I called them early this evening and they reported back that there were long cue's in T2 with around 50 min wait to clear immigration, with some scanners broken down.
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Old 27th Jun 2022, 15:12
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I don't think wait times at security have been the cause of any significant delays for some weeks now. The main issue now is ground handling.

I flew from T3 a couple of weeks ago and was through security in about half an hour, even with the queue most of the way back to the boarding card scanners. We ended up with a 2 hour delay on our flight despite the inbound only being 30 minutes late, due to the wait for baggage being offloaded and a PRM who was still on board waiting almost 90 minutes after landing.
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Old 27th Jun 2022, 15:26
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PRM is the biggest issue now. We waited an hour and half to off load the in bound pax off a flight last week. There was one lift working for the entire airport.
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 05:07
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Most likely to have been a slot. As a rule Jet2 at MAN don’t suffer delays due to baggage loading as they don’t rely on outsourcing for this.
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 10:47
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I remember back when I was a working crew member that I went through the staff channel at Manchester, and had my flight bag searched after the scan found a nearly empty bottle of water from the previous days flying. The security people were quite offensive about it, and didn't understand my comment that I was about to lock myself away behind an armoured door for 4 hours, and a half drunk bottle of water would not be what I would use if I felt that wat inclined.
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Old 30th Jun 2022, 10:17
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Appears to be three Cathay A350-1K on the ground at the same time. A bit unusual, especially as hardly anyone is going to HKG these days. Any special event happening?
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Old 30th Jun 2022, 10:22
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Students returning to HKG end of term?
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Old 30th Jun 2022, 19:23
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Appears to be three Cathay A350-1K on the ground at the same time. A bit unusual, especially as hardly anyone is going to HKG these days. Any special event happening?
Flts are pretty full both ways. Also had 2 full in and out of LHR today. In fact they've been pretty full the last couple of weeks now.
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