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Does anyone have any information regarding the resumption or launch of services between Manchester and India? Now that India is once again accepting inbound passengers I would have thought we would be hearing about plans by Virgin at least to begin the services they had planned pre-Covid, and possibly a relaunch by Jet Airways. Direct flights to India, like Thailand remains a tough nut for MAN to crack despite the apparent demand currently going via MEB3. Maybe that's the reason?
SQ had planned to increase from 4 to 5 weekly this winter, however they will now stay at 4. There are however three extra services on Saturdays in December/January. These extra flights are turnaround flights for MAN and won't go on to Houston. Presumably the temporary suspension of bookings was while the winter schedule was being updated and passengers moved from the dates that are no longer operating onto other dates.
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The 2 diverted flights were due 22:55 and 23:10 but were late, landing BHX around 02:30
NOTAM
) EGCC
B) 22/07/31 01:00 C) 22/07/31 04:15
D) 0100-0145 0330-0415
E) MANCHESTER ATS NOT AVBL. CTA AND CTR REVERT TO CLASS G. SUITABLY EQUIPPED ACFT OPR WI MANCHESTER AIRSPACE SHOULD MONITOR MANCHESTER RADAR ON 118.580MHZ AND SQUAWK 7360. ANY DISCREET TASK SPECIFIC CODE OR ANY DISCREET CODE ALLOCATED BY ANOTHER ATC UNIT. ACFT LANDING INSIDE MANCHESTER AIRSPACE SHALL CTC MANCHESTER ATC ON 0161 2092836 IF INTENDING TO DEPART DURING PUBLISHED OPENING HOURS.
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There was an incident yesterday afternoon which caused the closure for a while caused by an engine fire on a wide body at about 15.30 and involved all the fire crews available.
and during night debris on runway caused change to 23L for a while which caused 2 fuel diversions thanks to info from another group
and during night debris on runway caused change to 23L for a while which caused 2 fuel diversions thanks to info from another group
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Flew in/out of MAN with EZY a few weeks back. Just shy of 2hrs to get through check in and security on the way out. However, coming back, from stepping off the aircraft, 15 mins to getting through border control and collecting my bags.
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Back in March and April, Manchester Airport were saying the security queues were due to unexpected passenger numbers.
Yet here they are providing the forward forecasting that they claimed not to be able to do earlier in the Summer.
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-b2139040.html
Sunday 7 August is predicted to be the busiest for the rest of the summer – with 94,000 passengers passing through, at a rate of above one per second on average.
Yet here they are providing the forward forecasting that they claimed not to be able to do earlier in the Summer.
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-b2139040.html
Sunday 7 August is predicted to be the busiest for the rest of the summer – with 94,000 passengers passing through, at a rate of above one per second on average.
But you make no allowance for all of that. You just expect airports to produce reliable forward projections against that backdrop? Or perhaps this is just another example of you working up to your usual playbook. Manchester Airport gets everything wrong and we should all book to fly from Liverpool instead. Am I on the right lines?
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I'll reword it for those that are blinkered.
The excuse for queues was unexpected high number of passengers.
Even though the schedules had been sorted for months.
Yet now, when asked how many people are going to travel, they can say a number.
Clearly they were talking out of their backside a few months ago. Something which was obviously a lie.
The excuse for queues was unexpected high number of passengers.
Even though the schedules had been sorted for months.
Yet now, when asked how many people are going to travel, they can say a number.
Clearly they were talking out of their backside a few months ago. Something which was obviously a lie.
The schedules for Summer 2021 had been sorted for months as well. Until they couldn’t operate. Do you appreciate what happened to airports and airlines which presumed normal throughput for that Summer? But you expect them to just recruit and presume normality for S2022 at huge expense and just keep their fingers crossed that those same politicians wouldn’t ***** them over again at the drop of a hat? These businesses require reliable guidance and none was offered to them despite constant pleas to government. Having lost unfathomable sums of money, they can’t afford to just shrug their shoulders and roll a dice.
It is the armchair CEO types like you who are wearing blinkers. Or perhaps it just suits your anti-MAN narrative to look away from inconvenient facts.
It is the armchair CEO types like you who are wearing blinkers. Or perhaps it just suits your anti-MAN narrative to look away from inconvenient facts.
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What a bizarre post. Do you remember a certain geopolitical upheaval known as “Covid19”? It was a global pandemic which resulted in governments closing borders, imposing draconian travel restrictions and constantly shifting the goalposts on these. Our own government was a prominent offender, ignoring all pleas from our industry to provide a roadmap to reopening. Airports and airlines were left floundering with no reliable information to work with. To those who claim that airports and airlines should have recruited based on assumptions of normal throughput in S2022, take a look at what happened to those who did exactly that in 2021. PCR testing was suddenly imposed for passengers entering the UK leaving the industry royally *****ed yet again. And financial help for our aviation industry was thwarted beyond the basic schemes open to all by the carbon demonisation cult at Westminster.
But you make no allowance for all of that. You just expect airports to produce reliable forward projections against that backdrop? Or perhaps this is just another example of you working up to your usual playbook. Manchester Airport gets everything wrong and we should all book to fly from Liverpool instead. Am I on the right lines?
But you make no allowance for all of that. You just expect airports to produce reliable forward projections against that backdrop? Or perhaps this is just another example of you working up to your usual playbook. Manchester Airport gets everything wrong and we should all book to fly from Liverpool instead. Am I on the right lines?
Could expand on the 8_12 week DBS checks timeframe for EVERY new employee going airside from cleaner , to pilot and even building maintenance, massively reduced pool of potential employees due to end of FOM, crap salaries and perceived working conditions offered, government notification of opening up travel in February far too close to the start of the season . All compounded by mass voucher redemptions on an unprecedented scale by a populous ( not expected by the industry themselves) stir crazy from being couped up for best part of two years or more.
Remember many indeed most of the vouchers were issued via a certain few inclusive tour companies and some of the legacies so the redemptive options have effective departure airport caveats and limitations.
Whilst both Easy and Ryan offered vouchers , many of their customers simply cancelled for refunds anyway.
Going back to ending of FOM further impacts GB passport holders ( third country status) in their MILLIONS joining the queues with Russians, North African, Ukrainian and others to have their passport Stamped twice ! and impacting every EU airport at rates NEVER SEEN BEFORE in history !
( travel volumes in the early seventies were a fraction of today)..
Problems have been doubling amplified at the prime IT departure airports Manchester , Leeds, Glasgow, Birmingham, Bristol, Stanstead and Gatwick by the post ending of furlough and resultant mass sackings by the handlers.
At airports such as Luton and Liverpool i’d hazard to suggest the levels of suit cases , and catering requirements ( both organic blob intensive) fewer packages and requirements for longer stay clientele are a fraction of these peers.
Simply put typical Easyjet/Ryanair mini backpack clientele don’t need many/any blobs to check cases , issue boarding cards, porter cases to onto carts or into containers, bar code, drive and load, have catering loaded, delivered trollies loaded onto plane, process passengers with mobility issues ( both Manchester and Gatwick certainly are falling down here and that is a disgrace for those operators and I can’t condone or critique this certain failing)
That same clientele passing through the LCC terminals will probably have fewer electronics and certainly lower risk of carrying levels of offending liquids ( don’t get me started on this nonsense through)
This situation is a perfect storm for the levels of disruption across the industry amplified in the UK by a certain self imposed political event and its associated impacts.
IFC perhaps your knee jerk and simple viewpoint need addressing somewhat.
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That said Jet2 are heavily reliant of third party carriers to deliver their programmes at Birmingham, and Stanstead and even here at Manchester with Wamos on certain routes .
Whilst within the EU have taken advantage to recruit many reps locally without the need for too many from the UK with all the associated visa issues ( robbing kids of summer work pre Uni tragically )
However they are far from immune to the airport issues issues especially at their home base , plenty queues on the first waves out into the street and “half way down Whitehouse Lane”
Through at least they are delivering on their programme unlike those other carriers and thats a good thing sure enough
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Well I have flown out of Manchester and Leeds Bradford this summer with Jet 2 and flights have boarded on time but Manchester had a bag passenger issue so we waited sometime before we pushed back. LBA needs a new terminal but flight was fine. Palma has been great on both trips and currently I am at Palma waiting to return having done drop car to through security in 30min which is a record for me.
Seems you might be referring indirectly to Tui and perhaps BA ?
That said Jet2 are heavily reliant of third party carriers to deliver their programmes at Birmingham, and Stanstead and even here at Manchester with Wamos on certain routes .
Whilst within the EU have taken advantage to recruit many reps locally without the need for too many from the UK with all the associated visa issues ( robbing kids of summer work pre Uni tragically )
However they are far from immune to the airport issues issues especially at their home base , plenty queues on the first waves out into the street and “half way down Whitehouse Lane”
Through at least they are delivering on their programme unlike those other carriers and thats a good thing sure enough
That said Jet2 are heavily reliant of third party carriers to deliver their programmes at Birmingham, and Stanstead and even here at Manchester with Wamos on certain routes .
Whilst within the EU have taken advantage to recruit many reps locally without the need for too many from the UK with all the associated visa issues ( robbing kids of summer work pre Uni tragically )
However they are far from immune to the airport issues issues especially at their home base , plenty queues on the first waves out into the street and “half way down Whitehouse Lane”
Through at least they are delivering on their programme unlike those other carriers and thats a good thing sure enough
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Couldn’t Agee more Ozzy spot on
Could expand on the 8_12 week DBS checks timeframe for EVERY new employee going airside from cleaner , to pilot and even building maintenance, massively reduced pool of potential employees due to end of FOM, crap salaries and perceived working conditions offered, government notification of opening up travel in February far too close to the start of the season . All compounded by mass voucher redemptions on an unprecedented scale by a populous ( not expected by the industry themselves) stir crazy from being couped up for best part of two years or more.
Remember many indeed most of the vouchers were issued via a certain few inclusive tour companies and some of the legacies so the redemptive options have effective departure airport caveats and limitations.
Whilst both Easy and Ryan offered vouchers , many of their customers simply cancelled for refunds anyway.
Going back to ending of FOM further impacts GB passport holders ( third country status) in their MILLIONS joining the queues with Russians, North African, Ukrainian and others to have their passport Stamped twice ! and impacting every EU airport at rates NEVER SEEN BEFORE in history !
( travel volumes in the early seventies were a fraction of today)..
Problems have been doubling amplified at the prime IT departure airports Manchester , Leeds, Glasgow, Birmingham, Bristol, Stanstead and Gatwick by the post ending of furlough and resultant mass sackings by the handlers.
At airports such as Luton and Liverpool i’d hazard to suggest the levels of suit cases , and catering requirements ( both organic blob intensive) fewer packages and requirements for longer stay clientele are a fraction of these peers.
Simply put typical Easyjet/Ryanair mini backpack clientele don’t need many/any blobs to check cases , issue boarding cards, porter cases to onto carts or into containers, bar code, drive and load, have catering loaded, delivered trollies loaded onto plane, process passengers with mobility issues ( both Manchester and Gatwick certainly are falling down here and that is a disgrace for those operators and I can’t condone or critique this certain failing)
That same clientele passing through the LCC terminals will probably have fewer electronics and certainly lower risk of carrying levels of offending liquids ( don’t get me started on this nonsense through)
This situation is a perfect storm for the levels of disruption across the industry amplified in the UK by a certain self imposed political event and its associated impacts.
IFC perhaps your knee jerk and simple viewpoint need addressing somewhat.
Could expand on the 8_12 week DBS checks timeframe for EVERY new employee going airside from cleaner , to pilot and even building maintenance, massively reduced pool of potential employees due to end of FOM, crap salaries and perceived working conditions offered, government notification of opening up travel in February far too close to the start of the season . All compounded by mass voucher redemptions on an unprecedented scale by a populous ( not expected by the industry themselves) stir crazy from being couped up for best part of two years or more.
Remember many indeed most of the vouchers were issued via a certain few inclusive tour companies and some of the legacies so the redemptive options have effective departure airport caveats and limitations.
Whilst both Easy and Ryan offered vouchers , many of their customers simply cancelled for refunds anyway.
Going back to ending of FOM further impacts GB passport holders ( third country status) in their MILLIONS joining the queues with Russians, North African, Ukrainian and others to have their passport Stamped twice ! and impacting every EU airport at rates NEVER SEEN BEFORE in history !
( travel volumes in the early seventies were a fraction of today)..
Problems have been doubling amplified at the prime IT departure airports Manchester , Leeds, Glasgow, Birmingham, Bristol, Stanstead and Gatwick by the post ending of furlough and resultant mass sackings by the handlers.
At airports such as Luton and Liverpool i’d hazard to suggest the levels of suit cases , and catering requirements ( both organic blob intensive) fewer packages and requirements for longer stay clientele are a fraction of these peers.
Simply put typical Easyjet/Ryanair mini backpack clientele don’t need many/any blobs to check cases , issue boarding cards, porter cases to onto carts or into containers, bar code, drive and load, have catering loaded, delivered trollies loaded onto plane, process passengers with mobility issues ( both Manchester and Gatwick certainly are falling down here and that is a disgrace for those operators and I can’t condone or critique this certain failing)
That same clientele passing through the LCC terminals will probably have fewer electronics and certainly lower risk of carrying levels of offending liquids ( don’t get me started on this nonsense through)
This situation is a perfect storm for the levels of disruption across the industry amplified in the UK by a certain self imposed political event and its associated impacts.
IFC perhaps your knee jerk and simple viewpoint need addressing somewhat.
Bizarre reckoning on Luton and Liverpool !!