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Old 17th Mar 2022, 20:14
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Originally Posted by Mr A Tis
Here you go : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ester-59729673
No, not from yesterday, but from December 20th.
The excuse? The airport said it had faced "a greater number of passengers than expected .
When does the Management get to understand the slots they have allocated? 3 months on & blow me down passengers keep turning up. How could we have known?
In the UK, what is the shortest period of time that your new security officers could be on the front line from, say, an initial application? I'm assuming there are a number of weeks or months to pass background security checks and complete training?
Can a security officer from another UK airport (even a group airport) just be dropped in to work or do they need to be cleared at each airport?
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Old 18th Mar 2022, 08:02
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Is it about time the management started to get a grip and come under some kind of scrutiny?

The queues re security issue has brought into focus a key issue but it is one of many and this gets publicity because the public are front and centre, but this as we all know is the tip of the iceberg.

Bringing a lightweight from East Midlands to manage a major international gateway has in my opinion proved disastrous. I appreciate we have had Covid but that should not be used as an excuse to cover a multitude of problems that Manchester is now facing, many of which appear self inflicted and are unrelated to the pandemic.

As i have mentioned ad nauem for me the total abdication of providing a pure freight facility from what "WAS" a key component within the North's supply chain where Manchester was once a major artery is nigh on unforgivable. I'm a beneficiary of this managed transfer, i therefore have an interest.

(On a theme am i correct in believing we have now lost long time user FedEx ?)

The area of expertise in moving every cargo flight to EMA has been clinical, its the one area where management have excelled, it won't get the abject publicity that the media love but for business it's no less critical.

Stand back and admire the way we have effectively constructed a narrative where it's fine to hand over hundreds of jobs to the Midlands without a peep from that same media who are now all over the security issues.

Whilst discussing jobs let us not forget another significant loss which was of course Air Livery, a first class employer by all accounts providing high quality jobs and apprenticeships. They inexplicably disappeared to be replaced by fresh air ! The hangar has remained empty nigh on 3 years as has the Thomas Cook facility.

As i understand it Manchester has no undercover engineering options so an engine change by way of example is executed on the tarmac, meanwhile tumble weed blows through both of these facilities.

Who owns them ?
Why are they being left to stagnate?
Who manages these facilities?

The one bright spot is the new terminal and no doubt the management would slap themselves on the back suggesting the delivery of this as there backstop of success, but as we know this isn't without problems as it's expansion has somewhat incredibly left us with zero apron space and a net deficit of stand numbers we had previously.

Spectacular planning there lads and lasses !!!

Memo to management , we are supposed to be growing the business and allowing space for expansion not regressing backwards.

The excuse re space is then routinely used as the default position re limited facilities and handling. It's called sweating the assets, utilise every available stand , if that means boxing in airlines/ aircraft to the point where they might be "persuaded" go to other airports in the group (see cargo again) so be it.

Manchester is now led by a management team so one eyed and focused on its own profitability that it's completely lost its way in terms of how it fits into the wider fabric of the N West /Northern economy.

The purchase of East Midlands and Stansted was clearly an absolute Godsend for the group as a whole, it was an undeniable masterstroke for the group, but has been in my view been an unmitigated disaster for Manchester itself.

I don't want to harp back to the regime of Gil Thomson but I will, everytime he spoke it was about creating an airport that was for the betterment not just of the airport but of the region as whole, he had a strategy to attract all business and crucially his team never missed a revenue opportunity.

Sadly for Manchester the board at MAG are now so focused on their own group balance sheet that the holostic attitude GTs team had to the wider area, appears to have been totally decapitated.














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Old 18th Mar 2022, 10:18
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A notification warning? Is this only available for internal employees?

I'm due to travel to Malaga Next Tuesday at 6.20am from T1. And friends of mine are travelling to Geneva at 1pm this Saturday, also from T1...are there any warnings for these days/times?
Nothing for beyond today as yet. They probably have enough on their hands dealing with the mess on any given day, let alone forecasting anything beyond that. It sounds like T2 has been worse than T1 this morning.
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Old 18th Mar 2022, 10:24
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My suggestion is go to Manchester airport website and look at the departures for your date of travel and note the terminal. It will give you an idea of how busy it will be
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Old 18th Mar 2022, 10:27
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Originally Posted by Navpi
The one bright spot is the new terminal and no doubt the management would slap themselves on the back suggesting the delivery of this as there backstop of success, but as we know this isn't without problems as it's expansion has somewhat incredibly left us with zero apron space and a net deficit of stand numbers we had previously.

Spectacular planning there lads and lasses !!!

Memo to management , we are supposed to be growing the business and allowing space for expansion not regressing backwards.
You actually make some reasonable points, but then ruin it with things like this. The redevelopment work, including the airfield, is not complete and has been on hold for the best part of two years. It is unfair to suggest that they are not focused on growing the business when a global pandemic brought all plans to a grinding halt.
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Old 18th Mar 2022, 10:38
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Well I had the misfortune to travel through MAN yesterday and witnessed first hand the length of the lines for security. Luckily I was able to avoid them by use of Fast Track, however for those not willing to pay for it, or get it as part of their ticket it looked horrendous.
Mrs Mac has just gone through for her flight and says still long lines but not as bad, as not outside but back to check in T1 and down concourse. She did Fast Track and did car to lounge in 30 min which is pretty good going. However I do not think the management have come out of this very well as the optics on the news look dreadful.
I am in Frankfurt awaiting flight to Amman and even though itís busy there is nothing like the chaos I witnessed yesterday. As an observation there seems to be a lot of people who do not realise what they can and cannot put in carry on as there were long queues for bags being re scanned for liquid and hair straighteners bizarrely were I went through. Perhaps it is because Manchester has more bucket and spade traffic ie once or twice a year travellers I do not know.

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Old 18th Mar 2022, 16:36
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New Manchester transatlantic operation being rumoured on socials...
WestJet Toronto...Air Canada Vancouver or Virgin (re)launch of Los Angeles, perhaps?
Or maybe just Norse Atlantic joining the existing throng on (somewhere near) New York and Orlando!
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Old 18th Mar 2022, 16:39
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Originally Posted by globetrotter79
New Manchester transatlantic operation being rumoured on socials...
WestJet Toronto...Air Canada Vancouver or Virgin (re)launch of Los Angeles, perhaps?
Or maybe just Norse Atlantic joining the existing throng on (somewhere near) New York and Orlando!
Air Canada are definitely back this summer. Not sure of destination.
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Old 18th Mar 2022, 17:42
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Originally Posted by globetrotter79
New Manchester transatlantic operation being rumoured on socials...
WestJet Toronto...Air Canada Vancouver or Virgin (re)launch of Los Angeles, perhaps?
Or maybe just Norse Atlantic joining the existing throng on (somewhere near) New York and Orlando!
Apparently its an airline exercising 5th freedom!

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Old 18th Mar 2022, 18:08
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Originally Posted by 4eyed anorak
Apparently its an airline exercising 5th freedom!

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Biman then !
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Old 18th Mar 2022, 20:27
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Originally Posted by Rutan16
Biman then !
I heard a whisper that it is Ethiopian. They have or did have an ADD-DUB-LAX service, so it could be a switch of that one or a new route entirely. Exciting, but will there be many seats on sale ex-MAN going west?
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Old 19th Mar 2022, 01:12
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Originally Posted by Rutan16
Biman then !
That rings a bell. Wasn't that a rumour on here a while ago? Pre covid maybe?
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Old 19th Mar 2022, 10:38
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Originally Posted by roverman
I heard a whisper that it is Ethiopian. They have or did have an ADD-DUB-LAX service, so it could be a switch of that one or a new route entirely. Exciting, but will there be many seats on sale ex-MAN going west?
Ethiopians's trans-atlantic flights via Dublin are not fifth freedom so perhaps not the most likely bet. I also saw an article from Ireland that indicated Ethiopian want to launch a seasonal ADD-MAN-DUB service. Unlikely that demand could justify two ET flights.

My wager would be a carrier like Biman or Gulf Air (maybe even Kuwait?).
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Old 19th Mar 2022, 10:47
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Originally Posted by boredintheairport
Ethiopians's trans-atlantic flights via Dublin are not fifth freedom so perhaps not the most likely bet. I also saw an article from Ireland that indicated Ethiopian want to launch a seasonal ADD-MAN-DUB service. Unlikely that demand could justify two ET flights.

My wager would be a carrier like Biman or Gulf Air (maybe even Kuwait?).
Changing ADD-BRU-MAN to ADD-MAN-DUB seems a bit odd as they already route several flights from ADD to North America, so not short of ADD-DUB capacity (unless itís just a fuel stop and/or a security check). Perhaps DUB is a red herring until they announce the real destination? Failing that, Biman have been rumoured to run JFK or Toronto flights through MAN for years.
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax
Changing ADD-BRU-MAN to ADD-MAN-DUB seems a bit odd as they already route several flights from ADD to North America, so not short of ADD-DUB capacity (unless itís just a fuel stop and/or a security check). Perhaps DUB is a red herring until they announce the real destination? Failing that, Biman have been rumoured to run JFK or Toronto flights through MAN for years.
I am going to try and post the article. No idea of the veracity - it came up in my Google recommended articles screen. https://m.independent.ie/business/ir...-41442765.html

There is no ET flight to Dublin. You cannot buy a seat to Dublin from ADD. Two reasons: it would be about 4am in Dublin on arrival, and second most critical - they don't stop there on the way back. I think the change is more to do with over capacity to Brussels. They have the Manchester stopper as well as a flight via Vienna. With demand dampened this might be a little too much.
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Old 19th Mar 2022, 11:06
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Originally Posted by roverman
I heard a whisper that it is Ethiopian. They have or did have an ADD-DUB-LAX service, so it could be a switch of that one or a new route entirely. Exciting, but will there be many seats on sale ex-MAN going west?
From a purely economic point of view why would Ethiopian route a west bound through Manchester whilst routing a least three others via Dublin a few hundred flying miles away ?
BTW the east bounds fly over Dublin nonstop

However did find this on the Irish government transport web site quoting With regards to Ethiopian Airlines operating fifth freedom passenger air services, in 2015, my Department approved an Addis Ababa - Dublin - Los Angeles return service, which operated until Q4 2018. In late 2018, my Department approved an Addis Ababa - Madrid - Dublin return service, with Madrid being a technical stop only. This was changed to a fifth freedom service for the summer 2019 season, once all aeronautical authorities granted approval.

My Department has recently received a formal application from Ethiopian Airlines to operate an Addis Ababa - Brussels - Dublin with return service for the winter 2019 season. This would replace the Madrid 5th freedom route. The Department is currently initiating a process of stakeholder engagement and evaluation before determining whether or not to grant an authorisation for this service.

Seems a few years old however possibly source of the debate if Ethiopian are recasting some of the North Western European routes.
I suppose Dublin looses the triangle via Madrid gaining our Brussels tag whilst Manchester gains a non stop from Addis going on over the Atlantic a lŠ Singapore. 5th freedom shouldnít be an issue via the UK either .


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Apparently Addis - Dublin - Addis flights are currently suspended , the Madrid link replaced with Madrid-Rome (FCO) -Addis triangle ..

So currently no local traffic between Eire and the land of origin at the moment

Just tech stops east bound onto Washington, Toronto and Chicago

BTW if it is them onto Los Angeles anyone talked with the handlers as their in for shock and a very early start as westbound itís gonna be 3 or 4 in the morning !
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Old 19th Mar 2022, 19:13
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I am hearing from a well place source that organisational changes have been announced this week. New Deputy CEO role to whom the airport MDs will report with empowered airports able to make decisions autonomously.
Not going to change things overnight but sounds like a de-centralisation of decision making which might help.
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Fedex are scrapping their B757F service to CDG via BHX at the end of the month as they are now building up a hub at EMA.

EMA to get a 4 weekly B763F EMA-CDG-EMA starting 28/3/22 another airline and route very unlikely to return to MAN, distant memories of the days we had Fedex MD-11's
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Originally Posted by DP.
You actually make some reasonable points, but then ruin it with things like this. The redevelopment work, including the airfield, is not complete and has been on hold for the best part of two years. It is unfair to suggest that they are not focused on growing the business when a global pandemic brought all plans to a grinding halt.
To be fair a major expansion of facilities SHOULD have also seen a commensurate expansion of apron space.

It's blinding obvious that there was little room for manoeuvre. You cannot expand East due M56, you cannot go South due the Cheshire boundary, and East is problematic due underground infastructure.

Yes i accept the timing of Covid was unfortunate but we now have a situation where we have a brand new glitzy terminal which has swallowed up a percentage of the available stands with a knock effect in terms of operability. Of course it's great having brilliant facilities and new piers that take you straight to the aircraft but thats pointless if that swallows up what little parking you have available.

Where do new based units go if airlines coming out of the Covid mess wish to expand ?


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