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Old 22nd Dec 2022, 12:13
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New freight sheds

With Freight 40% down versus EMA and STN does anyone know why MAN are investing in new freight sheds for what is essentially a trucking operation.

Would it not make more sense to build warehousing at say Warrington where rates are much cheaper and use the land to reconfigure the Wythenshawe Freight Village Truck Stop.
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Old 22nd Dec 2022, 20:50
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The area is a enterprise zone with same sort of tax deal
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Old 23rd Dec 2022, 12:03
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I understand much of the land over there is no longer owned by MAG
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Old 23rd Dec 2022, 13:54
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Can anyone pinpoint where these proposed new freight warehouses are going to be relative to the road network, or are they replacing some of the existing facilities?
Out of interest, could the land that was disposed of by MAG in theory have been used for additional aircraft parking and apron or was it beyond that area?
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Old 23rd Dec 2022, 14:02
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I think this article refers, Manfod:

https://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/thr...airport-sheds/
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Old 23rd Dec 2022, 15:46
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Thanks for the link eye2eye5. An interesting read. I notice that was 14 months ago so I wonder how the project has progressed.
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Old 23rd Dec 2022, 20:28
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Well, the Dnata building is already up and the area for the other two buildings has only just been flattened, rubble still being shifted.
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Old 26th Dec 2022, 17:49
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Gosh, following a complaint on another forum about the airports own Book a flight page i tried the option myself.
have to agree its shocking.

Manchester Airport Destinations A-Z | Manchester Airport

The list of destinations is in a completely random order.

If the new MD is reading this, he could do worse than embed the technology from the LGW page.

Booking a destination is nigh impossible, and the navigation is not fit for purpose.

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Old 26th Dec 2022, 18:14
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Originally Posted by AlwaysWatching1
Gosh, following a complaint on another forum about the airports own Book a flight page i tried the option myself.have to agree its shocking. Manchester Airport Destinations A-Z | Manchester Airport The list of destinations is in a completely random order. If the new CEO is reading this, he could do worse than embed the technology from the LGW page. Booking a destination is nigh impossible, and the navigation is not fit for purpose.
​​​​​​​If you mean Mr. Woodroofe, then isn't he MD of the airport and not CEO?
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Old 26th Dec 2022, 18:36
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Originally Posted by AircraftOperations
If you mean Mr. Woodroofe, then isn't he MD of the airport and not CEO?
Yes, Charlie Cornish is group CEO.
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Originally Posted by SJL26779
Are you sure that your original date hasnt been moved to 20th?

TUI have altered the flying programme to a Monday now. The original flights were a Thursday.
I am guessing TUI have axed the Thursday flight, cancelling the 10 day holiday rather than giving us the option of extending our holiday to 14 days. We've now rebooked a holiday to CUN but it would have been nice to have been aware that we could 'rebook' to extend our holiday. It's this lack of information that is especially frustrating for travellers.

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Old 30th Dec 2022, 23:02
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Pakistan

Am I right in thinking that we currently have no direct services from Manchester to Pakistan? I haven't seen any Jordan Aviation flights lately, Virgin I assume have ceased, and PIA yet to return to Europe. All traffic must then be going via the MEB3 or Turkish.
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Pakistan

Same from BHX - last Jordan Aviation flights were October I think. It seems PIA are funneling pax via IST with TK. Not sure what their status is regarding European flights, I thought PIA were banned from EU and UK?
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Old 31st Dec 2022, 09:07
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Pakistan's flag carrier has launched direct flights to Istanbul from the capital Islamabad and the northeastern city of Lahore, the Istanbul Airport operator IGA said Monday.

Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) passengers will be able to travel to 28 destinations in the Turkish Airlines' network thanks to the expansion of the codeshare deal between the two carriers.
https://www.dailysabah.com/business/...ts-to-istanbul
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PIA - Pakistan International Airlines (PK, Islamabad Quaid-e-Azam Int'l) has tendered for a new operator for its flights to the European Union and the United Kingdom from December 2022 until May 2023. It currently charters an A330-200 from Jordan Aviation (R5, Amman Queen Alia).
The airline seeks an EASA-certified carrier authorised to serve both the EU and the UK with an aircraft seating at least 250 passengers. While PIA did not specify the aircraft type, the unit has to be of 2004 vintage or younger. It also must not be due for major maintenance checks during the expected duration of the charter contract, unless the operator can provide an equivalent backup aircraft.

The specifications clarify that the bidders must have operated at least five passenger charter flights in the last two years, must have IOSA certification, and must have a fleet of at least five passenger aircraft, including at least two 250 or more seat widebody jets. While the airline would consider single-class aircraft, units equipped with lie-flat or full-flat business-class seats will be assessed higher.

PIA plans to deploy the aircraft on services from Islamabad Quaid-e-Azam Int'l to Manchester Int'l, Paris CDG, and London Heathrow, and from Lahore Int'l to Manchester.

The Pakistani carrier remains banned from operating to the EU and the UK due to a scandal over fake pilot licences dating back to 2020. As a result, it is unable to use its growing widebody fleet on the routes to Europe.

Suffice to say no one has replied to the RFI based the specifications and so services are now suspended.

Contenders would be a choice of Hi Fly or Maleth Aero, however Euroaltantic fleet wouldn’t meet the specifications as printed or resign with Jordan !

Report from CH Aviation

They have however signed a codeshare arrangement with Etihad and another with THY ( in exchange for baby sitting their LHR slots)

I suspect Virgin ( may) has made a mistake suspending their service !!

Usual total mess from PIA management one assumes .


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Originally Posted by Rutan16
PIA - Pakistan International Airlines (PK, Islamabad Quaid-e-Azam Int'l) has tendered for a new operator for its flights to the European Union and the United Kingdom from December 2022 until May 2023. It currently charters an A330-200 from Jordan Aviation (R5, Amman Queen Alia).
The airline seeks an EASA-certified carrier authorised to serve both the EU and the UK with an aircraft seating at least 250 passengers. While PIA did not specify the aircraft type, the unit has to be of 2004 vintage or younger. It also must not be due for major maintenance checks during the expected duration of the charter contract, unless the operator can provide an equivalent backup aircraft.

The specifications clarify that the bidders must have operated at least five passenger charter flights in the last two years, must have IOSA certification, and must have a fleet of at least five passenger aircraft, including at least two 250 or more seat widebody jets. While the airline would consider single-class aircraft, units equipped with lie-flat or full-flat business-class seats will be assessed higher.

PIA plans to deploy the aircraft on services from Islamabad Quaid-e-Azam Int'l to Manchester Int'l, Paris CDG, and London Heathrow, and from Lahore Int'l to Manchester.

The Pakistani carrier remains banned from operating to the EU and the UK due to a scandal over fake pilot licences dating back to 2020. As a result, it is unable to use its growing widebody fleet on the routes to Europe.

Suffice to say no one has replied to the RFI based the specifications and so services are now suspended.

Contenders would be a choice of Hi Fly or Maleth Aero, however Euroaltantic fleet wouldn’t meet the specifications as printed or resign with Jordan !

Report from CH Aviation

They have however signed a codeshare arrangement with Etihad and another with THY ( in exchange for baby sitting their LHR slots)

I suspect Virgin ( may) has made a mistake suspending their service !!

Usual total mess from PIA management one assumes .
Sounds perfect for FlyPop or whatever they were called. Are they still in the land of the living?
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Old 31st Dec 2022, 11:45
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Sounds perfect for FlyPop or whatever they were called. Are they still in the land of the living?
Flypop doesn’t meet the criteria at all. Minimum 5 jets with 2 widebodies…
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Flypop doesn’t meet the criteria at all. Minimum 5 jets with 2 widebodies…
Doesn't have UK AOC or operators license yet either as far as I am aware, and of course couldn't operate in the UK and EU.
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Given the pr hype about the new terminal having the capacity to handle 45m pax prebuild, is there ever likely to be a scenario where that is achieved ?

It would have to achieve growth in the order of 50% ?

Currently every stand is full overnight, those units all leave from 6am and comeback during the day perhaps operating in/out 2 or 3 times. That currently gives us circa 27m throughput per annum, but if you cannot bring more aircraft in with more stand space , which you cant, then you are somewhat knackered, its been completely boxed in.

You would be relying on a massive tranche of feed equivalent to 50 based aircraft from an operator such as say WIZZ with a leg up from maybe away based units from the likes of RYR or EZY. But is the airport not light years away from getting anywhere above even 30m if you can fit more aircraft in ? I appreciate you could try and get higher load factors, increase Winter flights, increase night flights but that is all out of the airports hands and in any case somewhat cosmetic.

I cannot see where the massive push will come from to add the missing 15m passengers ?

PS Does anybody know if the airport PR on twitter , facebook etc is outsourced to an off airport agency, if you DM them they never seem to have any technical answers.
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[QUOTE=AlwaysWatching1;11365037]Given the pr hype about the new terminal having the capacity to handle 45m pax prebuild, is there ever likely to be a scenario where that is achieved ?

“Currently every stand is full overnight, “

Really ?


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