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Old 14th Feb 2023, 00:49
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Skipness One Echo - If you don't wish to be subjected to my 'War and Peace' postings, I invite you to put me on "Ignore". I'm fine with that.

My comments on cargo actually cover ONE paragraph. Why should I leave cargo out of the 2019 v 2023 stats comparison - and then no doubt stand accused by some on here of glossing over bad news? And there WAS something new to add. This situation which sees MAN left with ZERO scheduled freighter movements is a first in my lifetime and probably well back beyond that. I haven't seen that reported on here previously.

Personally, I don't see zero scheduled cargo flights at MAN as a 'win'. I respect your right to differ.
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Old 14th Feb 2023, 05:54
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Thanks, LBAflyer22.

Jet2 is one of the four bellweather carriers which portend the tone for the forthcoming season at MAN, the others being Ryanair (RYR/RUK/LDA), EasyJet (EZY/EJU) and TUI (TOM). If all of these show a healthy increase in capacity at start of season, then things look good.

In ACL's initial coordination report for S23, Jet2 was shown to hold 17,283 slots representing 3,871,873 seats. Since then, there has been a further update showing 16,606 slots held for the season, though I have not seen the commensurate number for reduction in seats.

This compares with Summer '22 numbers of 16,125 slots held representing 3,468,653 seats in that year's start of season ACL report.

That would indicate Jet2 offering 403,220 additional seats based on the initial filing, but we see that 677 slots seem to have been deducted since then. Whilst a larger aircraft is expected to be in the mix, some reduction from the original +403,220 should be anticipated. However, an increase in seats offered over the S22 total still looks a safe bet. I will await the next ACL report with interest.

Of course, the benchmark year most of us would like to see surpassed is pre-covid 2019.

The MAT (Moving Annual Total) for the 12 months to September 2019 (the peak of recorded stats at MAN prior to numbers falling away, then plunging) were reported as:

PAX Terminal & Transit: 29,510,599
Movements: 204,178
Freight & Mail: 113,248 Tonnes.

By comparison, the latest reported MAT's for the 12 months to the end of January 2023 are:

PAX Terminal & Transit: 24,310,746
Movements: 162,480
Freight & Mail: 65,460 Tonnes.

From these numbers, we see that MAN must recover a further 5,199,853 pax within the MAT in order to re-enter record territory.

The month of February 2022 was still amidst full covid recession; things began to change in March. April was the first "normal" month. So February and March 2023 numbers should again make decent inroads into that shortfall. However, from April onwards we start to compare months with more like-for-like conditions, so the rate of incremental gains will slow to the kind of percentages we became accustomed to in pre-covid years. Obviously, it would be great if positive momentum can be maintained once we hit that point, but as discussed earlier, bumper business is far from assured with some markets not back at scale, and the public dealing with the soaring cost of living and possible recession. In the leisure market, the risk is that operators will consolidate capacity if the bookings don't come rolling in at the volumes hoped for.

The 2019 movements total was disproportionately boosted by the high number of FlyBe movements using smaller types. We will probably face a long wait to break any movements records at MAN going forward.

The abject cargo number is the inevitable endgame of MAG's "Anywhere but Manchester" policy. There is no hope of meaningful recovery in that sector for as long as MAG persist with the current strategy. There should be a rise in tonnage as more capacity returns to long-haul services offering belly-hold space, but MAN now has NO scheduled cargo services whatsoever since the loss of the short-lived Lufthansa A321F service. I believe that this is the first time in my lifetime that MAN has had ZERO scheduled freighter services - and I'm absolutely ancient! Joking aside, it is sad to see such a situation - such a dramatic contrast with the cargo heyday of the 2000-2010 period. Still, I'm sure that certain executives will have been handsomely rewarded for switch-selling MAN's freighter throughput to other airports.

Returning to passenger numbers and comparisons with 2019. In that year, Thomas Cook Airlines held 10,097 slots representing 2,441,653 seats for the Summer season alone. The equivalent Summer season numbers for FlyBe were 19,882 slots representing 1,688,548 seats. Naturally, other companies have seen changes too - but these are the really substantial ones. So it is not enough for our remaining stalwart companies to increase over their own 2019 programmes; we need to see the deficits from lost operators backfilled too. And that's why the effort to break out to new highs on passenger throughput may yet prove to be an arduous slog against the backdrop of difficult economic conditions. Will current carriers' programmes advance sufficiently to offset those major players lost to the great hangar in the sky?
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Refers to the switch selling!

MAG has been implicated and a general knuckles slapping has ensued.

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How interesting!
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Old 26th Feb 2023, 19:20
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Has the construction of the second pier started? Just wondering if any of the stands between 200-208 would remain operational this Summer
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Originally Posted by LFC22
Has the construction of the second pier started? Just wondering if any of the stands between 200-208 would remain operational this Summer
I don't know for sure if the construction has actually started on the 2nd pier, but I know the airbridges were or are being removed from stands 209-211.
Stands 201-208 will be in use, as the updated plans for the TP now include these stands in the long term until a 3rd pier is built (which is not expected to be even started until after 2025 at least).
For these stands, the configuration is either 7 narrowbody or 4 widebody capable (only stand 205 does not have an airbridge now, but I don't know if this can be used). Stand 201 is steps access anyway.

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Anybody heard that the Munich to Manchester Lufthansa late arrival is being stopped ? I have heard that it is no longer available to book in April.
Thanks in anticipation.
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I believe they are dropping a number of schedules all over the place I think due shortage of crews
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Including EDI for example.
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The attached link will provide you with the information regarding the reduction and increased European schedules from Lufthansa for summer 2023.

www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221220-lhns23eu

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The attached link will provide you with the information regarding the reduction and increased European schedules from Lufthansa for summer 2023.

www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221220-lhns23eu

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I think the Manchester figure might be wrong in the article as it says 620>614 frequencies but the night-stop is cancelled until 1st August (same with BHX). Although based on some booking engines the BHX figure is underestimated as well

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Old 3rd Mar 2023, 03:10
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Originally Posted by Mr Mac
Anybody heard that the Munich to Manchester Lufthansa late arrival is being stopped ? I have heard that it is no longer available to book in April.
Thanks in anticipation.
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This then explains why two of my flights I had booked for April & May have been bought forward from arriving around 23:00 to now arriving around 16:30Öhowever, I have opted for a refund as the transfer time in Munich went from 2hrs to 40mins!

A shame they have had to cut this particular flight, I would have thought one of their daytime flights could have been cut insteadÖthat last flight of the day comes in pretty handy! Loads were always mostly full when I flew as well (usually twice a month).
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This then explains why two of my flights I had booked for April & May have been bought forward from arriving around 23:00 to now arriving around 16:30Öhowever, I have opted for a refund as the transfer time in Munich went from 2hrs to 40mins!

A shame they have had to cut this particular flight, I would have thought one of their daytime flights could have been cut insteadÖthat last flight of the day comes in pretty handy! Loads were always mostly full when I flew as well (usually twice a month).
The problem is the cuts are believed to be due to crew shortages and the Manchester and BHX night-stops crew probably take out the following day tea-time flight (could be mid morning flight) and that is 6 crew out for 18 hours plus hotel costs so it sort of makes commercial sense as it ticks two boxes (night-stop costs and crew availability) but of course it them restricts passenger choice due to layover times as highlighted above and risks giving money to the competition. However KLM and Air France group have their own issues.

At least Star Alliance at Manchester have Brussels Airlines, Swiss, Austrian and SAS as potential alternatives depending on the desired end destination.

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Thank you all for the information. I generally use the earlier flight but the late one was the back stop.

Unfortunately I was coming back on the 3rd April so due to change I am now leaving Middle East on an earlier flight in the early hours Sunday, via Frankfurt. Lose a morning relaxation and good flight times for a Red Eye early hours departure. Such is life and travel I guess 🥲

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This may be a totally bone head question but you never know. When did Iberia start operating at the airport. Walking through Tatton park earlier and saw one approach. Have to say Iím scratching my head and I canít say Iíve ever seen Iberia operating in to man.
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This may be a totally bone head question but you never know. When did Iberia start operating at the airport. Walking through Tatton park earlier and saw one approach. Have to say Iím scratching my head and I canít say Iíve ever seen Iberia operating in to man.
It is. Online media articles says they commenced (as Iberia Express) in September 2015.
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The majority of flights are still operated by Iberia Express.
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Iberia were certainly operating in 1986. Chris Browne, later to become MD of TUI was the regional sales manager at that time.
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This may be a totally bone head question but you never know. When did Iberia start operating at the airport. Walking through Tatton park earlier and saw one approach. Have to say Iím scratching my head and I canít say Iíve ever seen Iberia operating in to man.
Prior to Iberia Express opening up a route between Madrid and Manchester in 2015 the airline previously operated scheduled flights to Manchester from both Barcelona and Madrid during the eighties and early nineties.

An example schedule for 1983

​​​​​​IB 346 MAD 15.20 MAN 16.40 357 D9S
IB 347 MAN 17.30 MAD 20.50 357 D9S

During the mid eighties Iberia creased Madrid in favour of Barcelona

An example schedule for 1989

IB 632 BCN 10.15 MAN 11.35 2467 D9S/727
IB 633 MAN 12.30 BCN 15.40 2467 D9S/727

Aviaco flights were also infrequently operated into Manchester by it's parent company Iberia during the eighties and early nineties with a selection of aircraft. Incidentally there are loads of photos online depicting Iberia aircraft at Manchester.

Hopefully you now have no need to "scratch your head" as Iberia are definitely no strangers to Manchester. After all Iberia Express have been operating into Manchester since 2015, that's eight years.






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Ok. Probably poorly phrased. Iím sure Iberia would have been in Manchester in the past. I just canít remember seeing them in recent times and Iíve spent more time at MAN than I care to remember. Both before during and after covid. I honestly canít remember ever seeing them before. But thatís clearly mea culpa. They appear to do every other day in the afternoon.
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I flew Manchester to Madrid in November 2015
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