Coronavirus Impact on Air Travel
I read one article online where their “sources” said airlines were told the quarantine would be lifted by July for them and would be able to run holidays... that said it depends how good their “sources” are.
You would have assumed with most airlines now set on July 1 that they’d be given some notice that their holidays can proceed rather than let airlines and holidays know either way 2 days before that date!
See also the Greeks keep changing their plans for us...
last week - No Brits until things improve
Saturday - Brits can come but must quarantine for 7 days if negative or 14 if positive
Today according to Martin Lewis and the Telegraph it’s now - Brits can come! We will test you when you land, put you in a hotel overnight (at no cost) as you wait for the results then if negative have a good holiday!
They've softened their stance twice in a week!
Portugal seems keen for us to go there too, along with Italy both who will not quarantine at all.
You would have assumed with most airlines now set on July 1 that they’d be given some notice that their holidays can proceed rather than let airlines and holidays know either way 2 days before that date!
See also the Greeks keep changing their plans for us...
last week - No Brits until things improve
Saturday - Brits can come but must quarantine for 7 days if negative or 14 if positive
Today according to Martin Lewis and the Telegraph it’s now - Brits can come! We will test you when you land, put you in a hotel overnight (at no cost) as you wait for the results then if negative have a good holiday!
They've softened their stance twice in a week!
Portugal seems keen for us to go there too, along with Italy both who will not quarantine at all.
1. Remain in the hotel where you were put to await your results for the remainder of your holiday ? (At your own cost considering you now have the Virus, insurance won't cover that)
2. Would they send you to your original hotel and tell you to isolate and keep checking on you ?
3. Fine you for attempting to bring the Virus into their country
4. Send you back home at the first opportunity ?
Who is going to take the chance ? Sensible thing is to wait it out, there is always 2021
However even our draconian rules do not apply to everyone and do not restrict movements for any reason which was what was being proposed.
Then you have a SAGE advisor telling the Government that the UK inbound quarantine would be basically pointless. I thought the Gov listened to these people ? Obviously not !
Something is seriously wrong when we in the UK are still seeing so many people sadly dying. Its no wonder many countries are scared of UK tourists.
Be safe and don't forget be alert
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UK deaths last 3 days 324/359/176 = 859 in 3 days
Spain 0/0/1 = 1 death in 3 days,
somebody please explain why if I go to Spain tomorrow for a week why do I need to quarantine, ??? and no replies Boris said so
I'm more likely to catch covid by going to the supermarket in the UK
Us Brits carn't go to Cumbria around the lakes because they don't want us there yet, but if I'm not UK citizen and land from Spain or Europe before Monday i'm allowed to go to the lakes
O'leary was on breakfast TV this morning (and i'm not his fan) but he's absolutely right, the quarantine is pointless and useless, first you have to fill a form in on arrival into the UK however these forms do not exist, he asked whats on these forms, reply we don't know yet, next we land on Ryanair in London travel by train/tube/bus or taxi to our place of quarantine how many have we infected on the way????
We have also had over the last few days large groups in the 1000/s for the american shooting, no effort at all to stop these marches why???? probably we will get called racist, but hang on a minute football starts in two weeks and I bet if there's group of football fans gathered it will be all over the news calling it a disgrace/football should have never started etc and I bet the police will be there breaking up fast
Spain 0/0/1 = 1 death in 3 days,
somebody please explain why if I go to Spain tomorrow for a week why do I need to quarantine, ??? and no replies Boris said so
I'm more likely to catch covid by going to the supermarket in the UK
Us Brits carn't go to Cumbria around the lakes because they don't want us there yet, but if I'm not UK citizen and land from Spain or Europe before Monday i'm allowed to go to the lakes
O'leary was on breakfast TV this morning (and i'm not his fan) but he's absolutely right, the quarantine is pointless and useless, first you have to fill a form in on arrival into the UK however these forms do not exist, he asked whats on these forms, reply we don't know yet, next we land on Ryanair in London travel by train/tube/bus or taxi to our place of quarantine how many have we infected on the way????
We have also had over the last few days large groups in the 1000/s for the american shooting, no effort at all to stop these marches why???? probably we will get called racist, but hang on a minute football starts in two weeks and I bet if there's group of football fans gathered it will be all over the news calling it a disgrace/football should have never started etc and I bet the police will be there breaking up fast
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The last two days there have been 300 and 176 in last 24 hours. More than those reported in the whole of the EU during that period !
There is an argument to say that if you are following your normal daily/weekly routine, you are coming into contact with the same people and thus if you are infectious you will be spreading to the same people on Monday as on Friday - i.e. you have a limited potential audience for the bugs that you carry. Once you start travelling around, if you pick up the virus on Wednesday, and fly home on Saturday, your potential audience is much larger - one person in a hotel restaurant will come into contact with many more people than they would while working in an office, and each of those people will then fly home to their own (different) home town, which potentially raises the R number and the infection rate much faster. The purpose of the 14 day quarantine is to prevent long infection chains from starting
The Govt has 2 things to consider - a) the health of its citizens and b) ensure the economy doesn't collapse (unemployment in the USA has ballooned in the last 2 months to about 20%). People going to work ensures we keep an economy but it increases the health risk. People flying to Mallorca and spending a week paying a hotel and restaurants owned by non-Brits does very little for the UK economy - but sees Brits mixing with far more people than they would otherwise and thus also implies infection risks. At some point you need to decide how much risk you want to take for health and the economy, and balance that against the UK still being a free society. Difficult call to make..... if you're too generous and someone's grandma dies after a 2nd wave in November, you get blamed for being too lax; if you're too strict you get labelled as a misery-guts and quasi-Fascist. If the UK on 01-Feb had banned all international flights while Covid was still something just in China and therefore far away and of no consequence to most Brits, then UK society would have likely ended up rioting in the streets - but such a strategy might have been right. As with any pandemic (and this always happens in pandemics) when imposing new rules Govt gets criticised as the start for being too strict; at the end of a pandemic Govt gets criticised for having done too little too late when the pandemic started
It is deeply disappointing (for me included) that summer 2020 is pretty much cancelled - I was due to be on a beach in Spain over the late May bank holiday, and am due to be in Greece later this summer. That said, sunbathing on the beach is a privilege, not a human right. However, having dithered in February/March, the UK is having to work much harder to eradicate the disease from the UK general population.
Tourist importing countries like Spain have an economy that is heavily dependent on tourists from nothern Europe - hence their willingness to take more of a risk to save more of their economy. Tourist exporting countries like Denmark have decided they don't want British tourists.
Boris and Priti Patel are doing an absolutely terrible job at communicating the reasons for the strategy (politicians are meant to be good at talking to the voters) - but in terms of trying to reduce the number of cases per day, it's probably still the right thing to do. Ultimately it's all about retaining some sort of perception of the UK being a free society, while putting in enough difficulties with social interaction that people decide to just stay at home and mix with very few people over the next few months (and thus stop infection chains from occurring). If pubs can open but everyone has to sit at a separate table 2 metre apart, you can't talk to your friends and the whole experience is miserable so people don't bother going to the pub - we keep the image of a free society but the motivation of going to the pub (and thus increasing infection risk) is destroyed. Following the Cummings episode, there is a need for somebody who is held in greater respect by the population (e.g. Chris Whitty) to explain more clearly why the foreign-travel quarantine is needed
The Govt has 2 things to consider - a) the health of its citizens and b) ensure the economy doesn't collapse (unemployment in the USA has ballooned in the last 2 months to about 20%). People going to work ensures we keep an economy but it increases the health risk. People flying to Mallorca and spending a week paying a hotel and restaurants owned by non-Brits does very little for the UK economy - but sees Brits mixing with far more people than they would otherwise and thus also implies infection risks. At some point you need to decide how much risk you want to take for health and the economy, and balance that against the UK still being a free society. Difficult call to make..... if you're too generous and someone's grandma dies after a 2nd wave in November, you get blamed for being too lax; if you're too strict you get labelled as a misery-guts and quasi-Fascist. If the UK on 01-Feb had banned all international flights while Covid was still something just in China and therefore far away and of no consequence to most Brits, then UK society would have likely ended up rioting in the streets - but such a strategy might have been right. As with any pandemic (and this always happens in pandemics) when imposing new rules Govt gets criticised as the start for being too strict; at the end of a pandemic Govt gets criticised for having done too little too late when the pandemic started
It is deeply disappointing (for me included) that summer 2020 is pretty much cancelled - I was due to be on a beach in Spain over the late May bank holiday, and am due to be in Greece later this summer. That said, sunbathing on the beach is a privilege, not a human right. However, having dithered in February/March, the UK is having to work much harder to eradicate the disease from the UK general population.
Tourist importing countries like Spain have an economy that is heavily dependent on tourists from nothern Europe - hence their willingness to take more of a risk to save more of their economy. Tourist exporting countries like Denmark have decided they don't want British tourists.
Boris and Priti Patel are doing an absolutely terrible job at communicating the reasons for the strategy (politicians are meant to be good at talking to the voters) - but in terms of trying to reduce the number of cases per day, it's probably still the right thing to do. Ultimately it's all about retaining some sort of perception of the UK being a free society, while putting in enough difficulties with social interaction that people decide to just stay at home and mix with very few people over the next few months (and thus stop infection chains from occurring). If pubs can open but everyone has to sit at a separate table 2 metre apart, you can't talk to your friends and the whole experience is miserable so people don't bother going to the pub - we keep the image of a free society but the motivation of going to the pub (and thus increasing infection risk) is destroyed. Following the Cummings episode, there is a need for somebody who is held in greater respect by the population (e.g. Chris Whitty) to explain more clearly why the foreign-travel quarantine is needed
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Boris and Priti Patel are doing an absolutely terrible job at communicating the reasons for the strategy (politicians are meant to be good at talking to the voters) - but in terms of trying to reduce the number of cases per day, it's probably still the right thing to do. Ultimately it's all about retaining some sort of perception of the UK being a free society, while Following the Cummings episode, there is a need for somebody who is held in greater respect by the population (e.g. Chris Whitty) to explain more clearly why the foreign-travel quarantine is needed
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The EU figures are a total mishmash of different methodologies. If we measured the same way as Spain, we would have recorded 20 deaths yesterday. See https://order-order.com/2020/06/04/n...ishes-honesty/
They are quite open that different countries use different criteria. They merely aggregate what is published by the officials in each country (or state in the US)
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Watching Vallance and Whitty alongside Boris when he announced the quarantine yesterday, I don’t think certainly Vallance, and probably Whitty believe there is much point to the blanket quarantining at this point in the UK cycle of the disease! It might catch a few people coming in, but that’s very small beer compared to the domestic community transmission level at present. It’s probably got more to do with regaining approval points in the next opinion poll from those who think it’s all being brought in by Johnny Foreigner.
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https://www.ft.com/content/77eb7a13-...2-616708b43673
They certainly turned the corner very quickly didn’t they?
EASA list of European airports requiring additional disinfection measures
Annex 1-Enhanced aircraft disinfection for mitigating risks of transmissionof the COVID-19 infection,whenoperating from the areas listed below.
Annex 1-Enhanced aircraft disinfection for mitigating risks of transmissionof the COVID-19 infection,whenoperating from the areas listed below.
The EU figures are a total mishmash of different methodologies. If we measured the same way as Spain, we would have recorded 20 deaths yesterday. See https://order-order.com/2020/06/04/n...ishes-honesty/
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I wouldn't trust that source to report in an unbiased objective way! However, it is clear that there are different criteria in different countries, and yes, the UK is attributing every possible death it can to it being "with" not "by" Covid-19. The UK probably has the widest definition of any nation I suspect.
All other countries have these xs deaths, the UK's are much the same as several other European countries. If Spain has changed its criteriai (as the UK has at least once) then it will be clear within the overall death rate.
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Is this a more acceptable source?
https://www.ft.com/content/77eb7a13-...2-616708b43673
They certainly turned the corner very quickly didn’t they?
https://www.ft.com/content/77eb7a13-...2-616708b43673
They certainly turned the corner very quickly didn’t they?
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EASA list of European airports requiring additional disinfection measures
Annex 1-Enhanced aircraft disinfection for mitigating risks of transmissionof the COVID-19 infection,whenoperating from the areas listed below.
Annex 1-Enhanced aircraft disinfection for mitigating risks of transmissionof the COVID-19 infection,whenoperating from the areas listed below.
