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Old 29th May 2020, 06:01
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From the BBC this morning - still some twists and turns ahead

  • More than 200 schools across South Korea are forced to return to online teaching just days after being allowed back in classrooms
  • On Thursday South Korea reported 79 new cases within 24 hours - its highest number in two months
  • Japan has seen a new cluster of infections emerge in the south-west, just days after the PM lifted the state of emergency
  • Brazil reported a daily record of 26,417 new coronavirus cases on Thursday
  • Moscow more than doubled the official death toll from Covid-19 for the month of April
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Old 29th May 2020, 07:03
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Meanwhile Good News from Tenerife Wednesday 27th Nil new cases and Nil deaths.....
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Old 29th May 2020, 07:28
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Croatia has opened its borders to visitors from eastern Europe including Germany, but you must show a negative Covid19 test. Obviously Italy France Spain Portugal and the UK are not included.
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Old 29th May 2020, 07:46
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Originally Posted by SCFC1EP View Post
At least more airlines are starting up again from 01/07/20 so I would expect this 14day quarantine only to last 3 weeks,
Emirates restart on 01/07/20 MAN daily, LHR 4 daily GLA daily all A380's that's a lot of seats , they then up frequency 2 weeks later by adding a 2nd MAN 5th LHR agian all A380's and on 01/08/20 add BHX and LGW both2 daily A380 with rest of UK ops returning 01/08/20
That is my feeling too, the decision was a daft one on the face of it. However once it's in place globally the government will be in a position to lift it on a piecemeal basis where the risk is deemed to be low enough (or I fear where there is a political expedient - read into that what you will). On current infection rates the EU and EEA, perhaps with the exception of Sweden, most of the Far East, Australia and NZ, and parts of Norther America could be winners; South America, Russia and some other nations of the former Soviet Union such as Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan where the governments are in denial may remain under quarantine rules. So actually, although the quarantine rules put in at this stage looked perverse, it might actually have been calculated as a better way of doing things diplomatically than placing quarantine restriction only against specified nations at the outset.
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Old 29th May 2020, 07:50
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well said!

Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn View Post
So what I want to know before arranging any new overseas travel is:

- When can I insure myself against travel disruption relating to C-19? Purchasing this as an optional extra (like cruise cover, winter sports cover, etc.) would be fine, but travelling completely uninsured against C-19 risk is not.

- When can I be sure that either my destination country or the UK itself won't order me into quarantine for 14 days by default, even if in perfect health?

- When will the FCO rescind advice against all but essential travel to other countries?

- When can I be sure that my destination will offer a welcoming experience? Will there be any visitor attractions / restaurants / bars / pools / activities open? Excursions operating, anything to do?

- Will the locals at destination resent me as a pariah / leper importing the plague from a 'high-risk' country to kill off their grannies?

- Will I be required to dress up as an astronaut every time I venture out from my resort accommodation?

- Will I be obligated to sit so far apart from everyone that it will be impossible to meet new friends or hold a conversation without shouting? (Though everyone generally moves a safe distance away from me anyway!)

- Will I be denied boarding at the departure gate and despatched into lockdown if one of those handheld temperature measurement devices detects an element of perspiration on my forehead whilst negotiating a hot and sweaty airport environment with luggage?

- Given all these newly-introduced measures, how much extra time will I need to allow for interlining at an enroute hub airport?

I'm quite at ease with the flight element of the trip. But all the above remain concerns until proven otherwise.
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Old 29th May 2020, 08:13
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
From the BBC this morning - still some twists and turns ahead

There will be spikes and this Korea example will be a good case study in terms of the track and trace system we are looking to implement. Most of the cases are from one workplace so this is where the local lockdown comes into play and track and tracing which they are doing.

Hopefully that quickly stems it before it grows further (think itís down again today) and itís controlled. The world will be watching with interest.
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Old 29th May 2020, 14:27
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BFS cutting workforce

A quarter of jobs at Belfast International Airport set to be cut - The Irish News
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Old 29th May 2020, 20:27
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Even Denmark is opening only to Norway, and to a limited extent Germany and Iceland. And stay in rural areas. So no Med holidays.
Our infection rate is not falling nearly as quickly as predicted. It will need to fall another 90% before any sensible country should welcome us.
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Old 29th May 2020, 20:42
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The biggest opportunity for the Airlines is that the Spanish Prime Minister confirmed that Spain will be open 01/07/2020 including the Brits, also Cyprus says open to Brits they will even refund your holiday if you get covid whilst there, so for bucket spade flights two out of 4 will be open for Brits come 01/07/20, I've been watching Easyjet/Ryanair prices over last few days for PMI/AGP and prices are going up although still plenty cheap flights for July/August
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Old 29th May 2020, 22:41
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I said it needed to fall 90% before any sensible country would welcome us. I think what Spain etc are doing is very risky. And clearly Denmark agrees.
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Old 30th May 2020, 06:59
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Well BoJo is now looking at scrapping the quarantine back into the U.K.

Im struggling to think of a more chaotic government in living memory.
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Old 30th May 2020, 08:38
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Dannyboy39. I'm struggling to find any news report that says BoJo is looking at scrapping quarantine. I know many within the travel and hospitality industry together with some MPs are saying it must be scrapped. I have heard it may be scrapped after 3 weeks at the end of June. Pease provide a link to support your statement, thanks.
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Old 30th May 2020, 08:47
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Just found this on the Daily Mirror. 'Last night, there were some hints from senior Government sources that Prime Minister Boris Johnson may get rid of the plans completely'.
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Old 30th May 2020, 08:47
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Interesting to see on this IATA website that the UK and Mexico seem to be the only countries with their doors wide open at the moment. It is almost as if we are trying to beat the world in numbers of deaths.

https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/int...1580226297.htm
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Old 30th May 2020, 08:53
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Originally Posted by inOban View Post
Yesterday the UK declared over 2000 new cases, Spain and Italy 5-600, France less than 200. It what way are we not massively worse?
You do realise 2000 cases per day means one in every 34,000 people in this country is getting the virus. That would be one person in 188 full A320 sized aircraft. Given that the number will inevitably decrease in the next five weeks, Iíd imagine countries like Spain and Greece who are heavily reliant on British tourists to keep their economies afloat would take those odds.
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Old 30th May 2020, 09:06
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The Minister of Tourism for the Canary Islands, Yaiza Castilla, is far from optimistic on the arrival of visitors from July 1 and maintains that the return to normality will be slow and not without complications. Castilla, recalls that despite the positive elements, the outlook is not at all clear and many aspects still need to be clarified. With the data available, the forecast is that the presence of international tourism in summer will be of a residual nature compared to a normal season and the Canary Islands should focus in the short term on local tourism and some peninsular tourism and strive to deliver a start in winter in a “solid and safe way”.
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Old 30th May 2020, 09:26
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Spain and Greece are reliant on tourists full stop. Not just UK ones. They could reasonably decide to ensure the safety of German etc tourists by eliminating those from higher risk areas such as the UK and Sweden.

The first, even local, outbreak in any Costa will kill the rest of the season

There seems to be a sense of British exceptionalism among some posts. The world no longer revolves around us.
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Old 30th May 2020, 09:29
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Vokes - the positive test cases reported by the Department of Health do not include the number of people staying at home while coughing away. The question for Spain is whether 2,000 cases per day represents a very small tip or a large chunk of the iceberg. If 2,000 positive tests is accompanied by another 2,000 other cases which weren't identified, then it's still 1 person in 94 A320s - ie an acceptable risk. If the number of unidentified cases is significantly more, then Spain might want to be more cautious.

The other factor is the capacity of hospitals to deal with a local spike in Covid cases. I suspect that the likes of Madrid, Barcelona and Valencia could cope, but somewhere like Lanzarote or Mallorca which have modest year-round populations combined with a seasonal surge of mainly healthy people (people who are ill tend not to fly) who typically need just minor treatment (bumps, bruises, etc) could not, thus a greater need for caution
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Old 30th May 2020, 10:25
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On a point of context, the numbers of new cases reported daily by each country is a function of the number tested that day. One country reporting, say, 600 new cases out of 50,000 tests would be faring no better than a country reporting 1,200 new cases from 100,000 tests, even though at first glance (all that the media ever seem to take) it might appear so. The trouble is I haven't been able to find daily testing numbers for other European countries in order to judge how badly UK is actually doing by comparison. Does anyone here have access to that information I wonder.
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Old 30th May 2020, 10:32
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 View Post
Vokes - the positive test cases reported by the Department of Health do not include the number of people staying at home while coughing away. The question for Spain is whether 2,000 cases per day represents a very small tip or a large chunk of the iceberg. If 2,000 positive tests is accompanied by another 2,000 other cases which weren't identified, then it's still 1 person in 94 A320s - ie an acceptable risk. If the number of unidentified cases is significantly more, then Spain might want to be more cautious.

The other factor is the capacity of hospitals to deal with a local spike in Covid cases. I suspect that the likes of Madrid, Barcelona and Valencia could cope, but somewhere like Lanzarote or Mallorca which have modest year-round populations combined with a seasonal surge of mainly healthy people (people who are ill tend not to fly) who typically need just minor treatment (bumps, bruises, etc) could not, thus a greater need for caution
Given that everybody can get a test these days, the gap between the "confirmed" cases and the actual cases should be closing. 2000 confirmed cases today is going to mean significantly fewer actual cases than 2000 confirmed cases in April. In any form, these numbers are coming down and have another four weeks to come down further.

There seems to be a sense of British exceptionalism among some posts. The world no longer revolves around us.


British tourists make up the majority in a lot of resorts in Spain. Without the British, the industry suffers. Call it what you want, it's the truth.

The trouble is I haven't been able to find daily testing numbers for other European countries in order to judge how badly UK is actually doing by comparison. Does anyone here have access to that information I wonder.
As of yesterday, the UK has now done more tests than any other country in Europe, and is third in the world behind the USA and Russia.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ is a good source of information, including the all important deaths per million population figure, much to the annoyance of the sensationalist drama queens in this thread that can't see past the raw death figures.


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