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Old 9th May 2020, 15:54
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If you want any evidence the Government doesnít know itís arse from its elbow when it comes to aviation or anything else for that matter there are still British citizens stranded abroad and returning in dribs and drabs on the odd few charter flights. Other countries managed to sort this on a grand scale weeks ago. Given thereís the odd few aircraft sitting around idle and has been for some weeks it really neednít have taken so long. Itís not even as though the returnees are getting a free ride!
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Originally Posted by esscee
Sooner terminals get the temperature sensors fitted, then this could/may be relaxed a bit?
I didnt think that worked in the early stages of the infection - you can be infected but have no symptoms, not even a temperature.
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Old 9th May 2020, 16:56
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
If you want any evidence the Government doesn’t know it’s arse from its elbow when it comes to aviation or anything else for that matter there are still British citizens stranded abroad and returning in dribs and drabs on the odd few charter flights. Other countries managed to sort this on a grand scale weeks ago. Given there’s the odd few aircraft sitting around idle and has been for some weeks it really needn’t have taken so long. It’s not even as though the returnees are getting a free ride!
Your mate Corbyn would have had all the answers particularly if he was relying on Diane Abbott as his chief adviser. It is time to get over your crushing defeat with your crusade and move on. You have already made your politics clear with your outrageous comments on the Southend thread which you was forced to remove.
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Your mate Corbyn would have had all the answers particularly if he was relying on Diane Abbott as his chief adviser. It is time to get over your crushing defeat with your crusade and move on. You have already made your politics clear with your outrageous comments on the Southend thread which you was forced to remove.
I am not a Labour supporter or voter thank you very much. As for ďoutrageousĒ every word was factually true and on public record. When 54k are dead already, itís not ďmy sideĒ that loses (whatever side thatís supposed to be) itís all of our sides.
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Originally Posted by Spanish eyes
Your mate Corbyn would have had all the answers particularly if he was relying on Diane Abbott as his chief adviser. It is time to get over your crushing defeat with your crusade and move on. You have already made your politics clear with your outrageous comments on the Southend thread which you was forced to remove.
Itís quite telling youíve attacked me (and not even got that right) and not what Iíve said. If what Iíve said is true, why attack me? If what Iíve said is false, again why attack me but perhaps in that instance set out why itís not the case.
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Old 10th May 2020, 10:12
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Originally Posted by Spanish eyes
Your mate Corbyn would have had all the answers particularly if he was relying on Diane Abbott as his chief adviser. It is time to get over your crushing defeat with your crusade and move on. You have already made your politics clear with your outrageous comments on the Southend thread which you was forced to remove.
Why is there a need to bring Diane Abbott into this?
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Old 10th May 2020, 10:32
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Priti Patel seems as adept as Diane Abbott at handling statistics and yet that doesn't seem to have been featured highly in the press. I doubt that Corbyn would have done any better than Johnson, probably worse. Keir Starmer on the other hand looks to be the real deal and I would have much more confidence in him at the helm (regardless of petty political party allegiances).

Either way, it's a bit late now. The aviation sector in the UK faces greater challenges than those in much of Europe thanks to the greater impact of the virus on our country. How to survive this is a conundrum......
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Originally Posted by Barling Magna
Either way, it's a bit late now. The aviation sector in the UK faces greater challenges than those in much of Europe thanks to the greater impact of the virus on our country. How to survive this is a conundrum......
Greater impact on our country than where? Even with the current statistics, there are at least three large European countries fairing worse than the UK (Belgium, Spain and Italy), and once all countries report on the same playing field, not only will France almost certainly be added to that list, but the gulf between Spain/Italy and the UK will be even more apparent.

It's only the constant pressure from Left-wing clowns to report deaths contrary to the WHO standard that has given the UK the "highest" number of deaths in Europe. And comparing numbers without considering population size or population density is moronic.
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Old 10th May 2020, 12:13
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Originally Posted by ZULUBOY
Why is there a need to bring Diane Abbott into this?
Because it's a cheap shot that is getting a bit old now. Funny how those same people have no problem with Priti Patel's disastrous communication and her incompetence.
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Old 10th May 2020, 12:58
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Originally Posted by Vokes55
Greater impact on our country than where? Even with the current statistics, there are at least three large European countries fairing worse than the UK (Belgium, Spain and Italy), and once all countries report on the same playing field, not only will France almost certainly be added to that list, but the gulf between Spain/Italy and the UK will be even more apparent.

It's only the constant pressure from Left-wing clowns to report deaths contrary to the WHO standard that has given the UK the "highest" number of deaths in Europe. And comparing numbers without considering population size or population density is moronic.
Let's take the world health organisation figures then shall we: (https://covid19.who.int)

UK - 31, 241
Italy - 30, 201
France - 26,188
Spain - 26, 251
Belgium - 8, 521
Germany - 7, 369
Netherlands - 5, 359

It would appear we are still the worst in Europe - with WHO figures.

As for the 14 days quarantine it's a bit too late. Has Priti Patel only just woke up to whats going on? Or realised she's done naff all work for the last 3 months so must do something? Complete and utter waste of tax payers money. She should be sacked from the cabinet and conservative whip should be withdrawn. Most incompetent home secretary this country has ever seen.
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Old 10th May 2020, 13:01
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Originally Posted by Vokes55
Greater impact on our country than where? Even with the current statistics, there are at least three large European countries fairing worse than the UK (Belgium, Spain and Italy), and once all countries report on the same playing field, not only will France almost certainly be added to that list, but the gulf between Spain/Italy and the UK will be even more apparent.
It's only the constant pressure from Left-wing clowns to report deaths contrary to the WHO standard that has given the UK the "highest" number of deaths in Europe. And comparing numbers without considering population size or population density is moronic.
Well said. It's been disingenuous of the media not to quote the death rate per 1 million of population, but just as raw numbers in order to give a more sensational and negative headline. For the record the rate per 1 million stands today at Belgium 747, Spain 560, Italy 503 and UK 465.
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Old 10th May 2020, 13:07
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Is it that you just don't understand that the death rate per 1 million of population shows which country has the "worst" death rate? Why not put the USA at the top of your list with 80,044 total deaths but a rate per 1 million of 242 which actually puts them well down the list.
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Old 10th May 2020, 13:18
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52491210

I suggest that ppruners read this before commenting.

Just because some other countries are very bad isn't a get out for the UK.
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Old 10th May 2020, 13:29
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Gee, let's not argue about death rates. Certainly death rate per head of population is the way to go but that doesn't really help with only three European countries higher than the UK and several including Germany very much lower than us. Of course we will only know the final picture in the years to come when we compare the excess death rates in 2020 over the average for the previous years so it doesn't really serve any purpose to bite into each other from right, left or centre of the political spectrum. We're all in this together and since this is an aviation forum we need to concentrate our energies on sharing information and, yes, even rumours, on the impact on air travel and the aviation sector not try to score petty points off each other. Jeez.....

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...pe-by-country/

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The U.K. has been quite strict with recording a death attributed to COVID-19. Belgium far more flexible in the way it records a death. This whole episode I feel will only be able to be properly analysed once it’s completely over.
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321
The U.K. has been quite strict with recording a death attributed to COVID-19. Belgium far more flexible in the way it records a death. This whole episode I feel will only be able to be properly analysed once itís completely over.
Agreed. That's my point.
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Old 10th May 2020, 14:15
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In Spain deaths of people in private homes and senior residences are not being included, say regional officials. So its not all Apples for Apples when making comparisions !!!!
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Old 10th May 2020, 15:28
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In view of the difficulty in determining how each country compiles those figures I think we probably all have made valid points so maybe it's time to get back on topic and agree to differ on that aspect of the pandemic.
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Originally Posted by Expressflight
Well said. It's been disingenuous of the media not to quote the death rate per 1 million of population, but just as raw numbers in order to give a more sensational and negative headline. For the record the rate per 1 million stands today at Belgium 747, Spain 560, Italy 503 and UK 465.
The problem is 1. for the UK that is nowhere near the true figure (excess deaths compared to normal is more like 55k and higher per 1m than Belgium) 2. we can argue about measures and comparisons all we want, we are worst in Europe or at best very bad on all of them. This is a massive headache for the UK aviation industry because itís not just us suddenly quarantining itíll be others quarantining us. Not to mention who would want to travel here. Itís quite enlightening looking at how other countries press are reporting us, both left and right wing.
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Exactly. So what is best for the UK to do to ensure the survival of an aviation sector? Should we increase subsidising our airlines and airports to keep them alive? Should we ensure that our major aerospace companies remain viable? It seems that much more borrowing will be needed to do this and it will be a brave politician who does it.
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