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Old 18th Apr 2020, 22:40
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Originally Posted by Nostoodian View Post
How about all the companies around the world that never used multiple person video conferencing apps before the pandemic, but are now using them all the time? Companies will need to cost save in the coming years and a perfect way to cut costs is not to fly. Of course lots of meetings must be face to face but talking to my own boss last week he thinks our company may start to do a lot of face to face meetings using Zoom as it's worked very well so far.
There will be an uptick, yes. But most of these meetings are ‘localised’ from experience where I’ve seen anything transition to video conferencing. I.e. if you have multiple parties across London and Birmingham, why bother travelling when we can do it virtually?

But where there’s other jurisdictions involved, air travel will still be buoyant and I expect that for the UK>Europe air travel for business will pick up as soon as is practically possible.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 10:19
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In the far off time when video conferencing first arrived I remember an Annual Budget meeting (quite competitive) held by the parent company in the USA with people calling in from London, Paris, Oslo, Cairo etc.

All was trialed and worked well.

On THE DAY the first guy up was the local guy in the office in Houston. All went swimmingly but as he stepped down he somehow kicked a box of tricks and removed the video element - leaving everyone else to "present" using voice only. Oddly enough he was the only guy who got 100% of the cash he was asking for - tho' to his dying day he swore it was accidental...............
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 11:53
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There will be an uptick, yes. But most of these meetings are ‘localised’ from experience where I’ve seen anything transition to video conferencing. I.e. if you have multiple parties across London and Birmingham, why bother travelling when we can do it virtually?

But where there’s other jurisdictions involved, air travel will still be buoyant and I expect that for the UK>Europe air travel for business will pick up as soon as is practically possible.
There is an element of why do you need to travel BUT as someone who has WFH in 1990's and on occasions since then the physical meeting can not be superceeded by the video one. As indicated we are social animals and meeting and interacting with someone is just way better than the 2 dimensional screen one.

It is also easier having met not just the people on the screen but team around them that you get a sense of whether things really working or not V having a screen actor good at telling you what you need to hear.
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 12:26
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So what happens if there is no vaccine for the future of air travel? There are many diseases with no vaccines.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/18/dont-bet-on-vaccine-to-protect-us-from-covid-19-says-world-health-expert



Humanity will have to live with the threat of coronavirus “for the foreseeable future” and adapt accordingly because there is no guarantee that a vaccine can be successfully developed, one of the world’s leading experts on the disease has warned.

The stark message was delivered by David Nabarro, professor of global health at Imperial College, London, and an envoy for the World Health Organisation on Covid-19, as the number of UK hospital deaths from the virus passed 15,000.


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Old 19th Apr 2020, 12:44
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So what happens if there is no vaccine for the future of air travel? There are many diseases with no vaccines.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/18/dont-bet-on-vaccine-to-protect-us-from-covid-19-says-world-health-expert
Why is aviation being singled out? If there is no vaccine then other elements of existence will be far more challenging.

​​​​​​This current fear mongering is so very remonisant of AIDS all those years ago with experts everywhere shooting their mouths off.

The reality is no one really knows what is the future and these 'experts' are just getting their 5 minutes of fame and too many people are being taken in by them.

I still feel the medicine is worse than the disease but that's only my opinion based upon the same lack of facts as the 'experts'!

Now off for another gin before another 'expert' tells us that is bad for us!!
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 12:58
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Why is aviation being singled out?
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Old 19th Apr 2020, 12:59
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If there is no vaccine we'll live with it. As said there are lots of diseases, especially flu variants, where there is no effective vaccine and we survive. Well lot's of us do - remember something like 15000 died in the UK in early'10's from flu and there was no big fuss. CV19 is more transmittable than normal flu but a lot less than something like measles. It kills a small percentage of people who catch it - and it's clear these are mainly a) people with existing problems b) the aged

An Italian doctor said a month ago "this disease - it largely kills people today who would have died next month; it kills people next month who would have died next year"

Its not nice but it's not the end of the world - anyone under 30 has more chance of being killed in a accident I think
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 06:49
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Behold... the aircraft seating of the future...

https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2020/0...9-janus-seats/

But completely impractical considering a ship set of economy narrowbody seats already costs $200k++.
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 07:05
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But completely impractical considering a ship set of economy narrowbody seats already costs $200k++.
And for lots of other reasons - they're just whistling in the dark...
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 13:13
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 View Post
Behold... the aircraft seating of the future...

https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2020/0...9-janus-seats/

But completely impractical considering a ship set of economy narrowbody seats already costs $200k++.
This is a terrible idea. Alternate passengers in the same row are now facing each other... if someone in 1B sneezes both 1A and 1C are going to receive some of the spray.
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 16:28
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The imposition of social-distancing measures on commerical flights would mean an end to “cheap travel”, according to IATA director general Alexandre de Juniac. “It is very clear that if social-distancing is imposed inside the aircraft it will neutralise a huge proportion of seats – at least a third – for short- and mid-haul aircraft,” de Juniac states during a briefing by the airline industry association today.
During the same briefing, IATA chief economist Brian Pearce notes that the need for social-distancing on flights is not guaranteed and “will really depend… on health requirements” imposed by governments as travel restrictions are lifted.
Flight - Social-distancing on flights would end cheap travel: IATA
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 18:48
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Repatriation Flights
The fact these are still continuing to arrive in the UK shows how long this is going to take. Once all repatriation flights are over there will of necessity have to be a few weeks with no travel to other countries until those other countries agree to receiving passengers from the UK. Evidently BA have some idea of how many weeks/months this will go on otherwise they wouldn't have gone to the trouble of sending so many aircraft into storage - many outside of this country.
I have the feeling Germany, Portugal and other countries have handled the pandemic better than the UK as seen in the fewer number of infections and deaths. Today a group of 20 or so workers could be seen (I understand) disembarking from minibuses to work in fields - no social distancing whatever. Don't know where they were from but such situations show the UK government is not handling the crisis in a robust enough way. The outcome is that the effects are likely to stay with us longer and "normal" life and travel will not return as quickly as it might have done..
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 19:02
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But if these workers were living in shared accommodation, as is likely, then they are effectively one household, so no problem.
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 20:31
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Originally Posted by ZFT View Post
Why is aviation being singled out? If there is no vaccine then other elements of existence will be far more challenging.

​​​​​​This current fear mongering is so very remonisant of AIDS all those years ago with experts everywhere shooting their mouths off.

The reality is no one really knows what is the future and these 'experts' are just getting their 5 minutes of fame and too many people are being taken in by them.

I still feel the medicine is worse than the disease but that's only my opinion based upon the same lack of facts as the 'experts'!

Now off for another gin before another 'expert' tells us that is bad for us!!
Cheers
Totally agree two many people who are not experts, have not got a clue how to get out of this in the UK. Our government is divided. A traffic light system was issued then a few days later Boris said he wants lockdown to be extended even further to ensure no second peak. Many European countries are trying to come out of lockdown now, hope it works. UK has always been over cautious, just hope there are some airlines and businesses left in the UK at the end whenever that may be.

Now a personal question about the holiday I booked over a year ago which is due in late June, obviously I am resigned to the fact I wont be going and will go for a refund as promised by Tour company. What my question is, if for some reason the tour company and or FCO deem it safe to go, I think alot of passengers may still not want to ! I guess in those circumstances we would lose out and no refund. Having said that life is more important to me than the money or a possibly dangerous holiday.
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Old 22nd Apr 2020, 14:14
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President Ángel Víctor Torres has now said that the prospect of hotels in the Canary Islands being open by June 1 as "too optimistic" and that if they open in July or August then they "would be walking in a good way." He also said that the re-introduction of tourism in the area would be staggered in phases. This could see international tourism being held back until phase three during the "strong months" for the Canary Islands.
President Torres told El Mundo : "We must advance the possibility of having internal island tourism to regain economic normality. Phase two would be to recover national tourism, with controls at airports. And the third phase would be international tourism. We cannot put everything together in the end. So that in October, November or December, which are strong months in the Canary Islands, we can start receiving tourists from other countries."
Tourists may not be able to visit Canary Islands until October
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Old 22nd Apr 2020, 15:27
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Yesterdays (Tuesday) figures for Tenerife.....6 new cases, no deaths.
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Old 22nd Apr 2020, 17:00
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Originally Posted by ZFT View Post
Why is aviation being singled out? If there is no vaccine then other elements of existence will be far more challenging.

​​​​​​This current fear mongering is so very remonisant of AIDS all those years ago with experts everywhere shooting their mouths off.

The reality is no one really knows what is the future and these 'experts' are just getting their 5 minutes of fame and too many people are being taken in by them.

I still feel the medicine is worse than the disease but that's only my opinion based upon the same lack of facts as the 'experts'!

Now off for another gin before another 'expert' tells us that is bad for us!!
Cheers
The key is to become an immunologically aware population. This isn't the same a herd immunity, which stops it from transmitting. What is relies on is the most people have had some exposure to the disease or a closely related one. This keeps the R0 down and also tends to lessen the severity. This is what we see for epidemic influenza, and even some pandemic influenza. There is some evidence that recent exposure to 2 of the endemic coronavirus common cold variants this year has reduced the severity of SARS-CoV2 infections, and may in some cases have prevented a small number of people from having any symptoms. Two problems with this, it is likely we will still have 'bad' years, and these could be very bad. Think flu in 2009, and we are nowhere near this point in any large population. For the UK, to get to a natural Rt of less than one right now, assuming R0 was 2.5 would have required nearly 30 million cumulative infections at the beginning of March. With ~30,000 cases then the R0 would have had to have been ~6-10, which is Mumps range.

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Old 22nd Apr 2020, 21:07
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The government's chief medical adviser has said

"This disease is not going to be eradicated, it is not going to disappear," he said, at the government's daily coronavirus briefing.

"So we have to accept that we are working with a disease that we are going to be with globally... for the foreseeable future."
I think we are all going to have so accept that air travel is all but ended for most of us for a very long time.
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Old 22nd Apr 2020, 21:15
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The government's chief medical adviser has said



I think we are all going to have so accept that air travel is all but ended for most of us for a very long time.
Yes, let's go back to living in caves. Not all medical/scientific advisors are in agreement with the current narrative.
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Old 22nd Apr 2020, 22:53
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The government's chief medical adviser has said



I think we are all going to have so accept that air travel is all but ended for most of us for a very long time.
Treating it correctly would be a start, it is not Pneumonia, so why are they treating it like it is.
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