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Old 21st Jan 2021, 10:36
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https://www.majorcadailybulletin.com...allorca-1.html
Spain pushes for vaccine certification to ease travel resumption
Rejected here as unworkable when I suggested this maybe a couple of months ago nevertheless it is gaining support. Yesterday Saga announced it is making it compulsory for all cruise ship passengers to be vaccinated before travel.

Life could get restrictive for those that haven’t been vaccinated or don’t wish to be as I am sure it could be rolled out for other activities.

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Old 21st Jan 2021, 10:51
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That's fine for Saga customers, their very target market ensures that by the time the cruise industry is back up and running most of them will have been vaccinated anyway. Spain may well be right to pursue the same course, and I'm sure that, despite being in the EU it would be their prerogative to do so, though I can imagine some squealing and protesting from other EU nations. What's absolutely certain is they could impose vaccine certificates on third country arrivals, of which the UK is now one. This begs another question. At what stage do governments start allowing people to "jump the queue" and get vaccinated in return for a small consideration either through their national (with a small "n") health system, or for private companies to buy up and sell the public vaccinations? To do so will cause an unholy row in the UK, but not to do so would deprive many younger would be customers from booking their 2 weeks in the Spanish sun - cue another unholy outcry from those affected, not to mention the airlines and tour operators.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 10:55
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People jumping the queue so they can have 10 days holiday in Spain is not going to happen

The rollout seems somewhat slow outside the UK.


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Old 21st Jan 2021, 11:09
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But how do you prevent it? Are BUPA, for example, going to be prevented from going along to "Mr. Pfizer" and offering a price that they couldn't refuse for 1 million doses; and would HM Government have the nerve to ban BUPA from importing and selling the stuff in UK? Same for the AZ product, though importing wouldn't figure in that transaction necessarily. AZ have said that they're not going to flog their Covid-19 product for profit, but business is business, and I have a feeling corporate greed would trump corporate ethics; it generally does.

I personally feel that vaccine certificates should be provided to every who is vaccinated, and that people who choose not to take the vaccination when it's offered should expect to suffer in terms of perhaps not being allowed into various countries without quarantine. I'd bet my bottom Dollar that Australia and New Zealand will follow just such a policy and when they reopen to inbound tourism, and it will be in the interests of the travel industry to lobby to allow their potential customers to buy a vaccination, and thus obtain the required certificate, abhorrent as that might be in some circles.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 11:15
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Am pretty sure all of the major vaccine suppliers are bound legally to supply governments first and foremost. Especially those who recieved government grants to aid in the research and development.

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Old 21st Jan 2021, 11:15
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Eventually all those in the U.K that have received a single dose will need a second dose. Who then is going to be carrying out the vaccinations for those that haven’t received their first dose? I can see come mid March that the vaccination programme for first doses will almost grind to a halt as the NHS focuses on the second injection rollout.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 11:19
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That's why it's called ramping up.

In the last week just shy of 2m doses were administered. Another 65 centres are opening this week with more to come and the trialling of 24hr centres, so providing the supply chain can keep up then there's no reason that the second dose should make a massive difference to first dose rollout.

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Old 21st Jan 2021, 15:03
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Anyone going on a Saga holiday or cruise in 2021 must be fully vaccinated against Covid-19, the tour operator has said. Saga, which specialises in holidays for the over-50s, said it wanted to protect customers' health and safety. The firm said it would delay restarting its travel packages until May to give customers enough time to get jabs.
Doesn't say how you'd prove it

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55738918
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 17:00
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Who in their right mind would go on a cruise without being vaccinated after what happened at the start of 2020. The bigger issue is how many countries will accept any sort of British holidaymaker until their own vaccination programmes protects enough locals and whether travel corridors are reopened which seems unlikely anytime soon. If they are then proof of vaccination is bound to be a requirement. It might be the case that ships sail without calling in at any ports.

At the moment the EU nations are lagging big time buried in bureaucracy and inefficiencies while just for once the U.K is well ahead of the curve.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 17:48
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Well, it is sounding more and more likely that we can write this summer off.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 18:03
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When airlines are starting to sell 2022 flights, that tells you all you need to know. The big question for the industry is just how generous is Mr Sunak prepared to be beyond April ?
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 21:01
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Brexit is going to be an insignificant rounding error in comparison with COVID let's be honest. There's no comparison here as demand is massively constrained and a lot of people are sitting on a lot of money as a result of home working. Anyone who says they know what summer 21 or 22 will look like is best-guessing as that pent up demand will be released differently depending on the size of the post COVID job losses.

Brexit, which happened over a year ago now, doesn't even register by comparison.
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Old 21st Jan 2021, 21:40
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Airlines will have 3-4 different scenarios and that is just for UK routes. There will be demand in summer but what form it takes is anybodys guess.
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Old 22nd Jan 2021, 08:32
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Denmark is the latest country that says a vaccination passport will be needed in a hard hitting article about the EU rollout published last week. This will not make air travel any easier this year as I assume 2 vaccinations will need to be acquired. As some point the U.K. government is going to have to buy into travel passports.
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/bre...ccines-6895862

Underscoring how seriously it takes vaccination, the country has now announced plans to roll out a so-called 'digital vaccine passport' which will be required for those who enter the country from abroad, including Danes.

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Old 22nd Jan 2021, 08:58
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to date over 50million worldwide have recieved a vaccine. In the U.K. we have hit 5million, and afaik there is no way to “prove” to a third party if you’ve had it or not. I guess it’s all on a computer somewhere but there is certainly nothing like a vaccine certificate being handed out.
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Old 22nd Jan 2021, 09:56
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I suspect that there'll be a system where if you want proof of vaccination your GP will be able to provide same either digitally or in hard copy - for a fee. Easy money for the GP, highly inconvenient for the travelling punter. And of course it may not just be foreign travel that requires proof of vaccination, given the litigious nature of the UK, would you as a large restaurant or cinema chain take the risk of your insurance premiums rocketing because you haven't taken adequate steps to protect customers from infection? There is a precedent for this, PAT testing, which contrary to what people think is neither a regulation from the EU, nor from the UK government but a requirement of insurers to validate business insurance.

Reading stuff this morning, I really can't see much international leisure travel happening before this Autumn; to be honest I can't see much in the way of holidays happening domestically before the school summer holidays either. I feel really sorry for the millions who don't have a back garden to relax in.
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Old 22nd Jan 2021, 12:15
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When my parents had their vaccine (yesterday) they were issued with a bit of paper to say that they had had the vaccine and which vaccine it was.
So paperwork is being issued to people at the moment.
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Old 22nd Jan 2021, 12:19
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In the U.K. we have hit 5million
We may have hit 5M but only single doses. Listening to a care home manager today, many of his vaccinated in mid December residents are still catching & dying of Covid.
The reports from Israel are also suggesting a single dose of Pfizer may only be 25% effective, not the 55-60% guessed at by UK Gov.
It was always designed to be two doses within 3 weeks-not 12.
Until a significant number have had double doses then I can't see any country allowing Brits into their area. In reality, that is going to take some time, especially if you are waiting 3 months between doses.
For me, any booking if any, will be last minute as it will be impossible to predict anything in the foreseeable future. I would be suprised if that wasn't the majority view.
The jab and go scenario suggested by a certain airline, just isn't going to cut it.
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Old 22nd Jan 2021, 12:34
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https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/...he-summer/amp/

Spain saying no to tourists until the end of Summer....
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Old 22nd Jan 2021, 22:22
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Boris is hinting about strengthening border restrictions so you just know they will be announced next week. With the BBC news showing massive queues in arrivals today at Heathrow an Australian style hotel quarantine is a real possibility. The question then becomes how and when to remove it in a world full of Covid when new strains are being found everyday.
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