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Old 24th Jan 2020, 16:37
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They done the same with BHD flights a couple of years ago I’d be wary of booking
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 06:33
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I think the dash 8 today will prove why itís right for the island - just taken off to MAN with the METAR showing 35knts crosswind.....
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 08:33
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Originally Posted by flyerguy View Post
I think the dash 8 today will prove why itís right for the island - just taken off to MAN with the METAR showing 35knts crosswind.....
Crosswind limit Dash 8 32knots wet and dry runway, ATR 72 35knots (dry) 28knots (wet) ...... horses for courses
wind IOM 250/33/51 5-7 knot x wind component ????
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 08:47
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And Saab 2000 - 40 kts if we are waving our appendages around. Many a time making an approach while the others go in circles around Kelly.
Goodbye faithful Saab - you've served the Island well for many years for both companies. You will be missed!
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 10:19
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Originally Posted by Peelpoler View Post
And Saab 2000 - 40 kts if we are waving our appendages around. Many a time making an approach while the others go in circles around Kelly.
Goodbye faithful Saab - you've served the Island well for many years for both companies. You will be missed!
Well put ! Will be interesting when Logan get ATR 45ís what crosswind limit they set as I believe manufacturers is a stonking 45knots !
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 14:43
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The ATR has an awful performance record when it was here full time last time compared to the Dash 8.
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 14:55
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Can anyone tell me whether the shorter ATR42 have a higher crosswind limit than longer 72? Eastern have been operating ATR42s around the Shetlands for some time and up there wind tends to be brutal.
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 15:06
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Eastern have been operating ATR42s around the Shetlands for some time and up there wind tends to be brutal.
Eastern operate 72's?
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 15:37
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Originally Posted by Haven't a clue View Post
Can anyone tell me whether the shorter ATR42 have a higher crosswind limit than longer 72? Eastern have been operating ATR42s around the Shetlands for some time and up there wind tends to be brutal.
Manufacturer advise 35 knots for ATR 72, 45 knots for ATR 42. That said, airlines may operate with lower limits.
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 17:54
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As a passenger on the Saab I agree it will be missed. Interestingly this evening G-LGNS operated the LCY service and was the first flight of the day to get into city airport!

With regards to the ATR42 I guess we will have to wait and see.
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 18:18
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G-LGNT which has been operating the LCY flights for last few weeks was flown to ABZ after landing from yesterday mornings rotation. G-LGNS was then flown from ABZ yesterday afternoon just to operate today’s flights. Surely it would have been better just to leave G-LGNT at IOM for today?. Or just start using the AT4 a day earlier, especially as it was already at IOM.
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 19:35
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SWBKCB saidEastern operate 72's?

My bad. Thought they were 42's, but after lengthy trawl though Eastern thread see the Bristows contract I was referring to uses 72's. Thanks for the correction.
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 19:50
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I was a passenger on the LCY service this evening on LGNS. The landing was perfect an absolute credit to the pilot given the strong winds and barely anything other planes landing. Absolutely top class.
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Old 9th Feb 2020, 21:59
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The Saab 2000 will be about for another month as a spare and operating a couple of sectors here and there, I believe due to crew training requirements on the ATR.
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 20:06
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Either the Loganair ATR is plumb unlucky or LCY ops are working against it.

May be wrong but often it lands at LCY and only manages to depart some 90 mins later. Stands 13/14 (the bus to gates) typically allocated for the morning rotation always create delays regardless of aircraft type, but this slow turnaround time seems to occur even when on stands 21-24 when no bus is required. The strong westerlies don't help - I've watched it heading south at 320kts only to return at sub 220kts; LCY I guess anticipate the early arrival and thus delay the departure ex IOM, but inevitably the afternoon rotation then returns an hour late with the inevitable extension required to get the evening flight back home. And tonights return is cancelled, not an ATR crosswind issue as the Stobart MAN and LPL for FlyBe are operating.

Thus far I've been lucky and found myself on the Saab both out and back.

A poster a while back said the introduction of the Saab to this route took a while to settle down (I must have missed that as my recollection was the Loganair aircraft had a much better reliability record the the Eastern airframe). All I can say is that as a frequent user of the LCY service I have yet to fly on the ATR and am actively picking flights operated by the Saab, But the Saab will go soon. So do I stay loyal to BA (LCY is the most convenient London airport for me) or do I move to U2 which is significantly cheaper but happily cancels if the wind looks like strengthening or French ATC so much as hint at strike action.

Be interested to hear what really is causing the delays; thus far unimpressed!
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 21:02
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It's slow. I was on a return on the ATR Tues/Weds and the thing didnt exceed 190kts for the first 25mins of flight.

Took nearly 1hr 40 mins. It's too slow versus the Saab and it can't handle the winds like the Saab. Speaking to the crew the other day, they used to know the Saab would always make it when other flights were canx. Not on the ATR.

They also had a crew trainer and trainee CC on my outbound which led to a departure delay. Apparently those that keep the route flying.. ie the gaming companies with their commitments aren't happy.

One thing I will say is that the interior is tonnes better than the Saab. They've done a good refurb.

Saab due to leave altogether ~26th March.
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 21:56
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Was cancelled last Friday evening due to winds. I think LCY was the issue on the 14th

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Old 22nd Feb 2020, 07:36
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Presumably the headwind component then (requiring another costly extension to airport hours)? The Stobart ATRs with a lower crosswind limit were able to land
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Old 22nd Feb 2020, 08:43
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You haven't a choice really - the SAAB's are out of production for 20 years whereas the airline industry has decided that the ATR is the way to go................. we just have to accept the consequences
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Old 22nd Feb 2020, 08:53
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Understood. And the current ATR operating the service was built in 1996....
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