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Old 20th Aug 2020, 13:45
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Last night had dinner with old Virgin LHR pals (Ground staff and CC) who are still at Virgin LHR - All on furlough until Oct and then will take statutory redundancy, no jobs offered to most, but 'some selective' staff got jobs offered to them, either a newly named position, or offered a drastically awful contract on annualised hours.
VS Pals had 23-35 years then you are on the heap at nearly or at 60 years of age -
Yes many of you of course are in the same position all over our industry suffering the same pain.

Virgin at Gatwick is gone - Staff told VS will never go back there. No jobs offered elsewhere so they said.

Virgin Atlantic seeking protection under chapter 15 of the US bankruptcy code, which simply allows a foreign debtor to shield it's assets in the country, but is of course a major development as far as UK staff are concerned.

CC Pals on BA worldwide fleet - some had 35-41 years service and all but one have pushed the 'to go' button
Only one has elected to stay and wait to be selected for a job in the new BA CC fleet, he is almost 60.
I told him he was mad and would earn more at Waitrose but he loves his flying job, it is his life, we all know what that means.
Sad for all concerned I really feel for them. I miss seeing VS at LGW
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I must admit to always thinking of Gatwick when I think of Virgin ' after all it's where its roots are (were).
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 12:48
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What’s the latest news with virgin and chapter 15

was there a meeting on August 23rd?
final meeting on September 5?

anybody got any ideas
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 14:07
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 19:08
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Sorry if I've missed it somewhere, but does anyone know when VS plan to bring the 330s back into service? I've heard some are positioning down to LHR in the next few days.
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Old 24th Aug 2020, 20:59
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Sorry if I've missed it somewhere, but does anyone know when VS plan to bring the 330s back into service? I've heard some are positioning down to LHR in the next few days.
Seems odd. They need to keep the A350s and B789s busy first and the flying program is a fraction of the size it was. It may be the A330s are cycling through for maintenance at the hangar? One of the A332s was here for a while and left for DUS, presumably end of lease.
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Now the Base going......
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 08:28
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot View Post
Seems odd. They need to keep the A350s and B789s busy first and the flying program is a fraction of the size it was. It may be the A330s are cycling through for maintenance at the hangar? One of the A332s was here for a while and left for DUS, presumably end of lease.
The VS Source reported G-VMNK positioning LHR-DUS on 19th Aug. Fleet status remains "unclear" at this time. Given that all four A332s were refurbished not so long ago, it would be pretty bizarre for the a/c to be withdrawn now not long after retrofitting. Having said that, given the vast reductions in the flight programme, A332 flying has been reduced considerably in favour of the newer A333s, so it may be that VS have decided to bring forward the A332s retirement (originally scheduled for 2022).
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 08:28
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Looks good business to me and a useful amount of cash to come. No shortage of office space around in less ‘desirable’ locations in which they could set up a replacement for much less than £30 mil if they want to
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 09:48
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Its a sale and leaseback of the facility, not a sale and closure. Remember that Virgin will still need a training facility for ongoing training and refreshers.

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Old 25th Aug 2020, 09:49
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Its a sale and leaseback of the facility, not a sale and closure. Remember that Virgin will still need a training facility for ongoing training and refreshers.
You missed out some keywords, sale and short term leaseback with a long term plan of it being converted in to a freight facility.
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Old 25th Aug 2020, 15:37
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...d&cmpId=google

looks like it’s all gone well!
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Apologies if this has been asked before, but does anyone know if VS still plan on kitting out the final 5 A350s with a leisure-orientated configuration? IIRC, the original plan was to base these a/c at LGW/MAN, but this has since changed with the closure of LGW operations and consolidation of leisure-based routes at LHR.
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Old 26th Aug 2020, 11:58
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Originally Posted by JW95 View Post
Apologies if this has been asked before, but does anyone know if VS still plan on kitting out the final 5 A350s with a leisure-orientated configuration? IIRC, the original plan was to base these a/c at LGW/MAN, but this has since changed with the closure of LGW operations and consolidation of leisure-based routes at LHR.
The next two A350’s are being delivered to MAN for storage so this would suggest that they might potentially be in leisure configuration.
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Old 26th Aug 2020, 13:17
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Originally Posted by JW95 View Post
Apologies if this has been asked before, but does anyone know if VS still plan on kitting out the final 5 A350s with a leisure-orientated configuration? IIRC, the original plan was to base these a/c at LGW/MAN, but this has since changed with the closure of LGW operations and consolidation of leisure-based routes at LHR.
Well yes the A350-1000's were bought to replace at first the LGW 747 leisure based fleet and cover those sunny routes.
8 a/c of that new fleet are deferred ufn.

As with all things Virgin plans change in mid course, plus now we have seen Virgin completely abandon LGW and all it's operations there, and its Base HQ at Crawley now just been sold for £30m.
So, what next....
747's and A340-600's are all now retired, plus all or most of the 4 ex LTU A330-200's will likely go back early to the Lessor as well - These 4 had been working on the leisure routes pre-Covid since VS got them from AB's liquidators.
As such there is no leisure market for 2020, nor either any winter holiday season 2020/2021 (just maybe could we see BGI on the winter Hols list from LHR?)
MCO MIA CPT and LAS are all out UFN, and some of the Caribbean islands are in and out of the UK Gov No-Go list.
Whilst ANU BGI HAV GND and UVF are OK, TAB, POS, The BVI's and all of the Dutch and French islands are no-go.

Frankly, I would revisit this thread once VS's £££ security is sewn up and good n dandy - There was some better news announced yesterday about that.
Fingers crossed they get through the other side.

Back to topic - I doubt VS's priority just yet will be high density A350's...

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Old 26th Aug 2020, 14:00
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Originally Posted by rog747 View Post
Well yes the A350-1000's were bought to replace at first the LGW 747 leisure based fleet and cover those sunny routes.
8 a/c of that new fleet are deferred ufn.

As with all things Virgin plans change in mid course, plus now we have seen Virgin completely abandon LGW and all it's operations there, and its Base HQ at Crawley now just been sold for £30m.
So, what next....
747's and A340-600's are all now retired, plus all or most of the 4 ex LTU A330-200's will likely go back early to the Lessor as well - These 4 had been working on the leisure routes pre-Covid since VS got them from AB's liquidators.
As such there is no leisure market for 2020, nor either any winter holiday season 2020/2021 (just maybe could we see BGI on the winter Hols list from LHR?)
MCO MIA CPT and LAS are all out UFN, and some of the Caribbean islands are in and out of the UK Gov No-Go list.
Whilst ANU BGI HAV GND and UVF are OK, TAB, POS, The BVI's and all of the Dutch and French islands are no-go.

Frankly, I would revisit this thread once VS's £££ security is sewn up and good n dandy - There was some better news announced yesterday about that.
Fingers crossed they get through the other side.

Back to topic - I doubt VS's priority just yet will be high density A350's...
The French and Dutch Caribbean islands are exempt from the FCO travel restrictions although I accept direct routes from the UK are unlikely at the moment.
"Coronavirus (COVID-19): countries and territories exempt from advice against ‘all but essential’ international travel - GOV.UK" https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavi...ational-travel
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The only reason I mentioned The French and Dutch Caribbean islands plus TAB & POS was that 'if' Caribbean operations resume for the likes of VS BA and TOM then currently many of those airports are off limits for diversions in the event of Wx, medical, or Tech issues...Dire emergency excepted I would imagine.

FYI the latest GOV advice is no non-essential travel does currently apply to Aruba and Bonaire, you are correct in stating that Curacao and most of the French Caribbean is now OK to go and is again exempt, thanks for the heads up. Seems to change all the time lol
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just maybe could we see BGI on the winter Hols list from LHR?
I did notice a VIR 789 making it's way from LHR to BGI the other day (new territory for that type I think)

I think on the same day BAW sent 777's from LGW to UVF, BGI and ANU, so there is some activity restarting to the Caribbean.

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I did notice a VIR 789 making it's way from LHR to BGI the other day (new territory for that type I think)

I think on the same day BAW sent 777's from LGW to UVF, BGI and ANU, so there is some activity restarting to the Caribbean.
VS 789 G-VBZZ flew VS131 LHR-BGI-LHR on 01 Aug and thereafter has been a weekly flight since.

The Virgin Barbados route has always in the high winter season been extremely busy - So much so it was moved up to LHR from LGW at the peak time to
appeal to a High J figure.
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Virgin has just announced on social media it will launch Lahore from Heathrow and Islamabad from Heathrow and Manchester in December.

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