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Old 9th Oct 2017, 19:28
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Looking at taking up to 50 ex MON bus drivers to cover A330 crew shortages.

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Old 6th Dec 2017, 11:31
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Sorry, I cannot find via a search a VS thread already on here. Maybe I have missed this information elsewhere?
Can anyone shed any more light on the 4 leased in A330-200s Virgin are taking on board to be based at MAN March to May 2018 ? Thus releasing their own A330-300s to cover the broken 787s at LHR.
Are they Air Berlin machines & who is going to crew them ?
Also, what is the story with the 787s ? How many are grounded and is it really going to take months to fix them?
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Old 6th Dec 2017, 12:27
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Due to an issue with supply of RR engines for the 789 apparently. I've also heard that they will be ex Berlin 332's with no PE seats sold
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Old 6th Dec 2017, 12:35
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Two 787s on the ground at present. A332s will be crewed by Virgin crews AFAIK
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Old 6th Dec 2017, 18:55
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I am hearing these leases are for up to 4 years.
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Old 6th Dec 2017, 21:06
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Will these get the VS treatment, and have the same cabins installed, as the rest of the fleet installed?

If the aircraft are being kept for four years, I would hope so!

If not, this is a bit of a two fingers up to Manchester passengers (if this where they are bound), if they can't offer the same hard product as the rest of their fleet, which many passengers will be expecting.

What was Air Berlin's old hard product like on these aircraft, before they vanished? I have only used them within Europe and their product was pretty basic and similar to most LCC in Europe... So Im imagining their long haul product was similar too and will lack lay flat beds in business.

Also the A330-300's replacing the 787's while they are taken off line, will struggle to fly all 787 routes... For example, I doubt A330-300's will have the range to fly the routes like Hong Kong and LAX, maybe the ex-AB A330-200's would be better as the replacement aircraft, having the longer range and should be able to fly even the longer sectors...

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Old 6th Dec 2017, 21:40
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I’m not sure if the VS A333s are the bees knees 251T MTOW variants, but they are at least the 247T variants, which can comfortably do UK-US west coast. VS have already recently taken at least 1 A346 out of storage for the ULR routes.

Even the earliest A332 could do Europe-West Coast USA
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I’m not sure if the VS A333s are the bees knees 251T MTOW variants
I believe a couple of them are. Not sure of Reg's, but they are used on the likes of MAN-SFO I think.

VS have already recently taken at least 1 A346 out of storage for the ULR routes.
One of them (I think VNAP?) was on a test flight over SW UK yesterday, out or Lourdes IIRC

I see there is now also a thread running (R&N) concerning some turnbacks and groundings for Air NZ on RR-powered 789's.

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Old 9th Dec 2017, 08:14
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ex Air Berlin A.330 registered G-VMIK to KDAC AIRCRAFT HOLDING LTD, DUBLIN.
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Notwithstanding the reg, are we sure that's intended for Virgin and not the breaker's?

It's ten years older than all the other VS A330s, and it has PW engines.
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I suppose if VS are looking for a MAN specific sub fleet, presumably as a stop gap until the B789 issues are resolved and A35K is online, the age of the aircraft is less of an issue?

I assume the A332 will be at MAN for 4-5 years; with the A333's returning firstly to replace the B744 (I assume VS will not actually use these to replace the beach fleet) and then the A332s...
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So, could be somebody taking the...
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I can confirm that G-VMIK is one of the four aircraft which Virgin is going to lease.
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Old 9th Dec 2017, 16:29
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The 787 issue seems quite serious, to this SLF.

They are talking about adding Premium Economy seats at some point in 2018, which, for a leased fleet, for a short term-ish issue, seems quite permanent!
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Old 9th Dec 2017, 17:52
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Confirmed by Reuters a couple of days ago:

Virgin Atlantic plans to lease up to four A330-200s for at least 12 months from March 2018

though note the "up to four".
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Originally Posted by Dobbo_Dobbo View Post
I suppose if VS are looking for a MAN specific sub fleet, presumably as a stop gap until the B789 issues are resolved and A35K is online, the age of the aircraft is less of an issue?

I assume the A332 will be at MAN for 4-5 years; with the A333's returning firstly to replace the B744 (I assume VS will not actually use these to replace the beach fleet) and then the A332s...
I assume availability of these and the need for extra aircraft as cover played a big part over other factors such as engine commonality and age (providing the overall condition and hours/cycles are OK). Note how Thomas Cook are going for some ex-Monarch A321's and they're also of a different engine type to their "native" fleet.
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VS LHR-BGI

https://www.virginatlantic.com/gb/en.../barbados.html


suspect that VS could be onto a winner here!
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 19:55
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P&O Cruises has a large amount of seats blocked with VS on LHR to BGI giving their passengers a scheduled option out of LHR for the first time in addition to their fly cruise options from LGW and other regional airports using TUI.

I believe this is one of the reasons why VS LHR to BGI is now available in addition to the LGW flights.

VS have some spare slots at LHR and BGI is an excellent addition and with the commitment from P&O Cruises new route will be successful.
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Old 22nd Dec 2017, 23:35
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Slot sitter? surely not! Seriously there are no West Indies routes ex-LHR except NAS and GCM. For those of us west of London this is a brilliant addition.
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I don't think either myself or anyone else has mentioned that it is a slot sitter!

It's only twice a week during the winter season so plenty of odd slots available with VS at LHR so the new BGI route is not necessarily a slot sitter especially with the P&O Cruises commitment behind it which I believe is working well plus it taps into wealthy west London and M4 corridor catchment.
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