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I will pleasantly surprised if they're still operating into 2019 given they've bought the by now famous airliners.net Magic Route Planning Dartboard of Strategy.
They're going to need (more than) a fair amount of capital to get them into next summer because 2018 is all about costs and market share, and from what I can see, yields will be somewhat challenging.....
Launching a niche route BHX-BOS then almost immediately dropping it in favour of another niche route STN-IAD doesn't inspire confidence, certainly not in potential investors (!) I will happily and freely apologise and eat my words if this all works, I was d eventually delighted to be wrong about both FR and EZY but I would have huge concerns around booking with these guys.
They're going to need (more than) a fair amount of capital to get them into next summer because 2018 is all about costs and market share, and from what I can see, yields will be somewhat challenging.....
Launching a niche route BHX-BOS then almost immediately dropping it in favour of another niche route STN-IAD doesn't inspire confidence, certainly not in potential investors (!) I will happily and freely apologise and eat my words if this all works, I was d eventually delighted to be wrong about both FR and EZY but I would have huge concerns around booking with these guys.
I’m sure they have a plan and must know what they are doing however if it was me making the decisions I would have put all my eggs in one basket which is Stansted I would not have chosen Birmingham or Paris and concentrated everything into Stansted I would have started with China and India as I wouldn’t be going up against Norwegian I hope they do well and lead the way into longhaul at Stansted I’m sure the short haul flights are going to be used as a massive advertising platform for longhaul and with the B739max aircraft due next year I’m sure we will see lots more interesting routes announced over the next few months I wish them all the best and hope the problems at Birmingham don’t affect booking and confidence to much.
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They clearly have ambitions for China and India.
This is from their press release today.
We’ve already seen a very positive response from passengers to Primera’s previous announcement of new services to New York, Boston and Toronto, and the addition of Washington will provide even more choice and connectivity to the east coast of the USA.
“We have made clear our ambition is to provide more services to the USA, and add routes to China and India, so this is another step towards that goal. We look forward to the launch of these exciting new services in the coming months.”
This is from their press release today.
We’ve already seen a very positive response from passengers to Primera’s previous announcement of new services to New York, Boston and Toronto, and the addition of Washington will provide even more choice and connectivity to the east coast of the USA.
“We have made clear our ambition is to provide more services to the USA, and add routes to China and India, so this is another step towards that goal. We look forward to the launch of these exciting new services in the coming months.”
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Actually Washington isn't a bad route choice at all, they're not up against Norwegian. Just Wow which isn't non-stop and BA/UA who tend to charge a lot.
To serve India and China they would need bigger aircraft, and I assume a British registration. Not inconceivable. Unless traffic rights are an issue, I think India has great potential.
There are a couple of places in Africa that would be achieveable in an A321. Accra for example is one I'm surprised no one has looked at.
To serve India and China they would need bigger aircraft, and I assume a British registration. Not inconceivable. Unless traffic rights are an issue, I think India has great potential.
There are a couple of places in Africa that would be achieveable in an A321. Accra for example is one I'm surprised no one has looked at.
Accra for example is one I'm surprised no one has looked at.
Sounds like prime example of a destination plucked from that "magic route planning dartboard" to me!
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What about the 20x B737-900Max-ER due 2019 what kind of range do they have ? Better or worse than the A321neo and A321LR.
Looking to the future I think Philadelphia and Montreal could be next.
Looking to the future I think Philadelphia and Montreal could be next.
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Actually there is a good amount of VFR traffic who would be happy to downgrade from BA to save a few Łs. It's not all about tourists. If that were the case, why would anyone bother running flights from the UK to Sibiu or Lublin?
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Could not agree more Skipness regarding 2019. Decided not to operate from Birmingham but let us try Washington from Stansted, oh dear! Hope I am proved wrong though.
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Totally correct....
Detractors are in a safety time loop regarding the STN market as just local.In the near future when "game-changer" Airbus arrive to market STN will be rightly & readily perceived just as the Capital on Trans Atlantics ,especially to a younger pax profile with access to travel tech not imagined a few years ago,with no dogma & old attitudes involved.
It is as suggested...none of the Primera routes could be classified "niche".
It will be interesting to see views eventually from the same posters concerning other markets when the A321LR goes into service with amongst others BAW & EIN to start.
Detractors are in a safety time loop regarding the STN market as just local.In the near future when "game-changer" Airbus arrive to market STN will be rightly & readily perceived just as the Capital on Trans Atlantics ,especially to a younger pax profile with access to travel tech not imagined a few years ago,with no dogma & old attitudes involved.
It is as suggested...none of the Primera routes could be classified "niche".
It will be interesting to see views eventually from the same posters concerning other markets when the A321LR goes into service with amongst others BAW & EIN to start.
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Will be interesting to see what JetBlue announce when they get their A321LR
I’m sure primera know what they are doing I’m unsure as to why the aircraft orders are so mixed and wonder if it was the likes of Ryanair, Easyjet or Jet2 providing the new transatlantic routes people would be less pessimistic.
But I have got more confidence in primera today after the announcement of Washington they must be happy with how things are going.
I’m sure primera know what they are doing I’m unsure as to why the aircraft orders are so mixed and wonder if it was the likes of Ryanair, Easyjet or Jet2 providing the new transatlantic routes people would be less pessimistic.
But I have got more confidence in primera today after the announcement of Washington they must be happy with how things are going.
Or not ! perhaps they are grabbing at straws as the routes the A321 can do are limited
as is the market. Most people now expect flights of over 6hrs to be widebody, most of the offerings both North and south of Primeras plans are all widebody with rumours still abounding that the MAN-EWR will be B767 for at least some of the summer and as United have just purchased some more 2nd hand B767 from Hawaiian who knows
as is the market. Most people now expect flights of over 6hrs to be widebody, most of the offerings both North and south of Primeras plans are all widebody with rumours still abounding that the MAN-EWR will be B767 for at least some of the summer and as United have just purchased some more 2nd hand B767 from Hawaiian who knows
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I don't think they are grabbing at straws at all, if they were grabbing at straws they would announce Buffalo or Bangor simply because they are in reach. If cash was an issue at present they'd have added more flights to NYC citing "phenomenol demand"
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Detractors are in a safety time loop regarding the STN market as just local.In the near future when "game-changer" Airbus arrive to market STN will be rightly & readily perceived just as the Capital on Trans Atlantics ,especially to a younger pax profile with access to travel tech not imagined a few years ago,with no dogma & old attitudes involved.
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As I stated on the STN thread regarding Primera & PMI for instance it appears to illustrate with just one tactical service per week to start they are v measured & calculating in the regard & use of markets.After all they are Scandi..cool/clear thinkers.
Regarding the order mix...it may be horses for courses to start or perhaps even playing manufacturers & or lessors..who knows exactly at present (they may even be playing the airports).
The A321LR was airborne on it`s maiden flight yesterday & is already being feted by the world press as an absolute game changer for long haul.
It will not be available to service until late this year & perhaps with Primera already having crunched a lot of numbers for it,decided to launch & operate with the 321NEO this year to block potential competitors.
I would view the B737MAX9 for the European market & mid haul which they have mentioned & the eventual 321LR as that game changer Transatlantic model.
For what it`s worth they have stated today Washington was always planned which makes sense as it is on the Eastern Seaboard still & probably is not a dart board target as some claim.
JBU have gone v quiet,the last I heard NAX were going to talk to them to offer interlining but that went quiet too.
Regarding the order mix...it may be horses for courses to start or perhaps even playing manufacturers & or lessors..who knows exactly at present (they may even be playing the airports).
The A321LR was airborne on it`s maiden flight yesterday & is already being feted by the world press as an absolute game changer for long haul.
It will not be available to service until late this year & perhaps with Primera already having crunched a lot of numbers for it,decided to launch & operate with the 321NEO this year to block potential competitors.
I would view the B737MAX9 for the European market & mid haul which they have mentioned & the eventual 321LR as that game changer Transatlantic model.
For what it`s worth they have stated today Washington was always planned which makes sense as it is on the Eastern Seaboard still & probably is not a dart board target as some claim.
JBU have gone v quiet,the last I heard NAX were going to talk to them to offer interlining but that went quiet too.
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Since when has a business plan expected to always generate cash reserves in a few months?..in any line of business?...you are totally in the wrong game if you can name one surely.
Oh dear not long before AA was mentioned too...as I stated dogma & old attitudes...yes they still exist.
Fail or no new approaches/enterprises are welcome & eventually help to change pre held concepts in this or any industry.
Oh dear not long before AA was mentioned too...as I stated dogma & old attitudes...yes they still exist.
Fail or no new approaches/enterprises are welcome & eventually help to change pre held concepts in this or any industry.
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Chaps1954..
Read up on the LR variant...only airborne tho yesterday.
We are experienced so obviously with aircraft ad nauseum that we want to think every potential pax has the same checklist in their head as ourselves.
Airbus & Boeing & the engine manufacturers are changing the thinking.
Try asking young people what is a wide body or single or double aisle? they do not even understand the question.
I remember the first Trans Atlantic twins arriving at LHR & in amazement really after growing up with four jets.
Now the market is very largely twin engine.
Times will change again for many...Nice plug for MAN but that highlights the case effectively as STN cannot by right expect a traditional operator with wide body service because it suits their own business model together with the prox of LHR/LGW but new concepts will provide STN & many others eventually with a 21st Century service.
Read up on the LR variant...only airborne tho yesterday.
We are experienced so obviously with aircraft ad nauseum that we want to think every potential pax has the same checklist in their head as ourselves.
Airbus & Boeing & the engine manufacturers are changing the thinking.
Try asking young people what is a wide body or single or double aisle? they do not even understand the question.
I remember the first Trans Atlantic twins arriving at LHR & in amazement really after growing up with four jets.
Now the market is very largely twin engine.
Times will change again for many...Nice plug for MAN but that highlights the case effectively as STN cannot by right expect a traditional operator with wide body service because it suits their own business model together with the prox of LHR/LGW but new concepts will provide STN & many others eventually with a 21st Century service.