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Old 9th Jul 2018, 09:47
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[QUOTE=KyleRB;10192185]
Yes it is a big ask no two ways about it but Primera feel if they didn’t grasp the chance, someone else would. Other airlines are looking very closely at the operation and will no doubt follow suit shortly. The loads are generally very good on the longhaul operation and I’m certain there is a market for this business model.[QUOTE]




So am I assuming that these other airlines might be more established in the market.
Loads may be good but again it comes down to yields, are you actually making any money!
Grasping the chance without real planning comes to mind.
You are probably correct that there is a market for this business model but what would happen if Easy, Wizz, Jet Blue jumped into the fray- more established airlines with bigger fleets
Getting the Primera name out there is important, but so is reliability of service, punctuality and customer service.


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Old 9th Jul 2018, 10:03
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Falcon666, I cant argue with you on your last sentence. I have no idea how much planning went into the operation but I doubt they went in without sufficient thought.

As a flight deck employee I have been as badly affected as anyone else except for some of my cabin crew colleagues who have had it much worse. Only time will tell whether the company learns the lessons of employee management required to hire and retain decent quality staff. As a brand new operation I am prepared to give the company some slack at least over the next few months.
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 10:49
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National N567CA Moved from EWR at 23.12 on 7-7-18 to MCO arriving at 01.18, off lease ?
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 20:15
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10th 11th 12th and 15th July Stansted to Newark all showing full or no flights, I’m thinking the later.
However looks like there is good news on the 16th with a 321 back on the route.
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 07:28
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Makes sense daz211 as OY-PSF has just been delivered, the third A321.
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There is a 36 year old MD82 on its way into STN right now under a Primera call-sign. What could go wrong?
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I will probably get hate for this, but the sooner we see the last of Primera the better..Doing nothing but disrupting thousands of passengers and damaging their own and BHXs reputation
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PRI41 operated by OY PSA on this evenings flight
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 18:14
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There is a 36 year old MD82 on its way into STN right now under a Primera call-sign. What could go wrong?
is that going to EWR????
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 19:17
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OY-PSA operating EWR ?? Is this plane ETOPS and make it without a fuel stop ? If so could this be one of the longest routes a B738 has done ?
I’m glad Primera have found a solution for now until OY-PAF gets sent to STN. But over the pond on a Boeing 738 with 189 seats I’d rather not personally.
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OY-PSA operating EWR ?? Is this plane ETOPS and make it without a fuel stop ? If so could this be one of the longest routes a B738 has done ?
I’m glad Primera have found a solution for now until OY-PAF gets sent to STN. But over the pond on a Boeing 738 with 189 seats I’d rather not personally.

we are almost back to the 70's with Dan Air and Sterling sending IT holiday jets Transatlantic (comets and caravelles)

at Monarch and AE we sent the 757-200 with 223 seats over the pond from the late 80's to MCO at first via BGR usually followed by Mexico (Gulf and Pacific coasts) Margarita Island plus Goa Kerala Mombassa Thailand Ceylon and the Maldives
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Originally Posted by rog747
is that going to EWR????
Now diverted to KEF !!
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 20:25
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
There is a 36 year old MD82 on its way into STN right now under a Primera call-sign. What could go wrong?
The MD82 is LZ DEO for PF2875/6.
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Old 10th Jul 2018, 21:41
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I'm really surprised this expansion is going so badly, you would have thought that a few years flying low risk whole plane charters from secondary Northern European points to the med would have adequately prepared them for a full risk bearing mixed short/long haul scheduled operation in some of the most dense and competitive markets in the world.
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KEF was a planned tech stop! Stop gap until next Neo arrives.
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 05:23
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The MD82 is LZ DEO for PF2875/6.
This MD82 operated a Spanish charter from BHX last weekend in lieu of a tech 737.
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They seem to have a lot of tech issues for a small operation

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Old 11th Jul 2018, 08:14
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Originally Posted by Itchin McCrevis
I'm really surprised this expansion is going so badly, you would have thought that a few years flying low risk whole plane charters from secondary Northern European points to the med would have adequately prepared them for a full risk bearing mixed short/long haul scheduled operation in some of the most dense and competitive markets in the world.
To be fair they were doing very well at Stansted with the two 321’s, putting aside the short blip at the beginning with the 757 from National, high loads, good time keeping, then the airline decided to send one of the new aircraft to Paris and things started getting messy again. I don’t blam Primera, I blame Airbus.
Im sure primera had it’s reasons for splitting up the two 321’s at Stansted, but to me it would have been better to keep at least one base fully operational with its own aircraft and branding and built up the reputation.
im still not writing the off I think they could have a good business model when all the new aircraft are in place.
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To be fair they were doing very well at Stansted with the two 321’s, putting aside the short blip at the beginning with the 757 from National, high loads, good time keeping, then the airline decided to send one of the new aircraft to Paris and things started getting messy again. I don’t blam Primera, I blame Airbus.
I heard that the deal Primera agreed with Airbus for the NEOs, acquired at relatively short notice, put the risk for late delivery at Primera's door and not at Airbus'. Therefore, Primera knew there was a risk of delay and costs for any cover aircraft required would be theirs.
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Old 11th Jul 2018, 09:23
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I'd have absolutely no confidence in booking a transatlantic flight with them at the monument
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