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Old 28th Jan 2018, 12:31
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Personally I would not touch Primera with a barge pole (see my previous posts) but the good old Brits see a price that is too good to be true and hey presto it usually is! Feel sorry for the punters but most travellers never do their homrwork on where they are staying or how they get there.
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 14:14
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I know things have started off a bit of a mess but really this is out of the control of the airline (late delivery of aircraft) however the airline have had to make changes the timetable that has impacted some passengers but when you think of the bigger picture it was very ambitious to set up 3 new bases and move into the longhaul market the problems have been overcome now and the new schedule from Birmingham is covered with an aircraft we must also remember that the full schedule from both Stansted and Paris was not affected what so ever by the late delivery of aircraft so all is back on track for Birmingham all be it restructured and although it inconvenient for the affected passengers the airline is back on track for the new full schedule for all airports.
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 14:34
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I know things have started off a bit of a mess but really this is out of the control of the airline (late delivery of aircraft)
Has this been confirmed as the reason?
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 14:51
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If it has been confirmed, why is the supplier of said late aircraft not covering the already sold flights with a substitute aircraft supplied as a 'stop gap' by them? Surely this would be part of any contract to cover late deliveries.

Something seems to be not adding up here.
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 14:58
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Not confirmed but from my experience in this mad world of aviation this is the only reason I can see the new timetable for Birmingham as I see it is taking one aircraft out of the timetable.
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 18:00
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The problem is that this is reflecting on Birmingham itself through no fault of there own.

If they reroute pax to Stansted 3 days a week it looks as Birmingham has failed rather than the airline and it's very tight delivery schedule!
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 20:13
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Originally Posted by daz211
No I wouldn’t worry the problem seems to be a delay in the longhaul aircraft only so should not affect PMI flights
But surely those same long haul aircraft are also operating the Spanish flights?
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 20:29
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No they're shipping over some 738's from Scandinavia for that
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 20:36
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Correct all short haul route from STN and BHX are operated with B738 not the aircraft assigned to long haul routes.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 13:30
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https://www.planespotters.net/airlin...ir-Scandinavia
Danish registered
2 x B737-800

https://www.planespotters.net/airlin...era-Air-Nordic
Latvian registered
5 x B737-800
2 x B737-700

Is one less than the below but ballpark accurate against the below:
https://primeraair.co.uk/about-us/fleet/
Long haul
8 A321 NEO - not delivered yet

So this a company more than doubling the size of it's fleet in a matter of months with a brand new type from a different manufacturer, intending to go ETOPs on said brand new type with no in-house experience with ETOPs? Also, with no economies of scale against the existing fleet like say, Westjet. This won't be easy by any measure....It really reminds me flyglobespan.

Anyone know on what register are the A321NEOs going on?
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 13:35
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo
https://www.planespotters.net/airlin...ir-Scandinavia
Danish registered
2 x B737-800

https://www.planespotters.net/airlin...era-Air-Nordic
Latvian registered
5 x B737-800
2 x B737-700

Is one less than the below but ballpark accurate against the below:
https://primeraair.co.uk/about-us/fleet/
Long haul
8 A321 NEO - not delivered yet

So this a company more than doubling the size of it's fleet in a matter of months with a brand new type from a different manufacturer, intending to go ETOPs on said brand new type with no in-house experience with ETOPs? Also, with no economies of scale against the existing fleet like say, Westjet. This won't be easy by any measure....It really reminds me flyglobespan.

Anyone know on what register are the A321NEOs going on?

According to one of the delivery schedules I read, 2 are registered TF- and the remaining 6 registered OY-
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 13:43
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It's been confirmed as poor sales for the cancellation of Boston and reduced frequency to New York.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 13:47
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Originally Posted by Ringwayman
It's been confirmed as poor sales for the cancellation of Boston and reduced frequency to New York.
Please can you give your source and or link.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 13:59
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Originally Posted by Ringwayman
It's been confirmed as poor sales for the cancellation of Boston and reduced frequency to New York.
Nothing to do with lack of aircraft??
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 14:16
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Primera Air are all over the Birmingham Mail.
Lack of sales!

I'm not sure Stansted is much better if they are shipping pax down to STN.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 14:16
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Originally Posted by Ringwayman
It's been confirmed as poor sales for the cancellation of Boston and reduced frequency to New York.
I find it hard to believe, launch date for Boston would have been 22 June that’s almost 5 month off.
I would love to hear where you seen the reason you are giving
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 14:21
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I don't believe this, sounds like an excuse to me.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/business/boston-new-york-flights-birmingham-14215588.amp
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 14:22
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Primera seem to be adjusting their ops for Birmingham...

Nothing too major, I’d just call it adjusting to market demand, but still disappointing for the airport.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...ngham-14215588
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 14:33
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So if true what is happening to the spare longhaul Aircraft ?

I still find pulling a route due lack of take up with still almost 5 months to go is a bit unbelievable to me. I’m sticking to delay in aircraft delivery it makes more sense.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 14:38
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Birmingham Post describes them as a Latvian airline. Is Birmingham the biggest base for flights?

It added: "Primera Air has reviewed its flight schedule from the Birmingham due to changing passenger flow trends. While we see very strong passenger numbers for flights to Toronto and New York, unfortunately the Boston route shows the weakest results. We have to keep a strong focus only on those destinations delivering the best commercial results. While Boston is one of the best performers from London and Paris, in Birmingham the demand is hitting high for the New York and Toronto routes. We are keeping those flights from Birmingham that are most demanded by the market as well as adding new ones. Furthermore, Birmingham Airport is by far our biggest new base for 2018 regarding the number of flights. This decision doesn't change our plans to improve the flight network out of Birmingham where we see strong potential growth in transatlantic and holiday destination flights."
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