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Old 13th Aug 2019, 19:18
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Heaven forbid an airport try's to make money!
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 19:48
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Heaven forbid an airport try's to make money!
Airports need to make money. Or rather their outlets do, which in turn ensure pay rents to the airport. However, that should NOT need to be at the detriment of passenger comfort or other facilities. Adequate seating is a large part of the passenger experience. It comes up time and time again in surveys and feedback.
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 19:56
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Adequate seating is a large part of the passenger experience. It comes up time and time again in surveys and feedback.
Does it pay the bills? This is the price of cheap flights.
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 20:55
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Does it pay the bills? This is the price of cheap flights.
Technically yes. Repeat business from.customer satisfaction is key.
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Old 13th Aug 2019, 21:19
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Originally Posted by Cazza_fly View Post
Technically yes. Repeat business from.customer satisfaction is key.
and the key to customer satisfaction is cheaper and cheaper flights........They might moan about a lack of seating but the cheaper flights will always draw them back..O`Leary has proved that.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 07:08
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Heaven forbid an airport try's to make money!
Nowt wrong with that.
But if thereís no one about the coffee is going to go cold and the parking spaces will be empty.

Its a a big increase in both seating/parking for less people as of this years pax on say next years pax. In my View the airport must have something lined up to do all this work if not then itís all in vain.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 07:57
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Nowt wrong with that.
But if thereís no one about the coffee is going to go cold and the parking spaces will be empty.

Its a a big increase in both seating/parking for less people as of this years pax on say next years pax. In my View the airport must have something lined up to do all this work if not then itís all in vain.
The car park expansion was lined up and signed before Flybe announced the based closure.

They will be a big loss next year, and could see sub 1 million passengers again.

Wizz basing is pure fantasy.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 09:00
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Sub 1M is doubtful as the Wizz seat allocation is 800,000 alone, add to that the three based TUI and a couple of long haul and top it off with the remaining Flybe. Worse case will probably be 1.3M for 2020.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 09:36
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Fair point.

It's a shame that some of the Flybe routes will seemingly be lost for good now. Jersey, Dublin, Paris.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 10:34
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I'd find it hopeful that RYR would start services from DUB, AGP, and ALC with aircraft at those bases. (similar to what happens at NCL)

TUI loads on the sun routes always appear to be well filled (albeit a lot of package holidaymakers) and BE seemed to have healthy loads during the summertime. I understand yields are what matters, although RYR can achieve better than BE when it comes to that. I always wondered what the CASM would be on BE's E175 on the sun routes; can't be particularly great.

It's a real shame to see DSA falling behind once again with BE's overall departure as I find it a great airport. Typically you can arrive 70 minutes before the flight and still have comfortable timing margins.

Wizz is helping to keep it afloat although I believe it doesn't really help to stimulate local knowledge of the airport as it's generally expats from Poland/Hungary that utilize their flights.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 17:15
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Originally Posted by TimmyW View Post
The car park expansion was lined up and signed before Flybe announced the based closure.

They will be a big loss next year, and could see sub 1 million passengers again.

Wizz basing is pure fantasy.
Wizz basing is very realistic. Very. Heard from various sources at DSA and elsewhere in the UK and it is expected they will base soon, I am hopeful for next summer.. so watch this space.

Also donít count those chickens on the BE summer routes, loads are very very good. Flybe upper management is being overhauled competed!!!
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 17:17
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Originally Posted by TimmyW View Post
Fair point.

It's a shame that some of the Flybe routes will seemingly be lost for good now. Jersey, Dublin, Paris.
Also donít count on that either. No reason why W patterns canít be flown. DUB probably the worst performing route but with Q400s would be better loads/yields.
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Old 14th Aug 2019, 19:11
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Originally Posted by Alwayslistening View Post


Also donít count on that either. No reason why W patterns canít be flown. DUB probably the worst performing route but with Q400s would be better loads/yields.
Or they could do something similar as to Cardiff and base/overnight an aircraft there to operate Dublin and other routes.
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Old 15th Aug 2019, 08:02
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Will be interesting to see how it pans out.
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Old 17th Aug 2019, 07:39
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Below are Wizz routes from November when frequencies drop to their lowest. There are also extra flights over Christmas. In total for winter there are 35 weekly flights, whereas summer 2019 had 34 weekly flights.

BUD 2 X weekly
DEB 2 X weekly
RIX 2 X weekly
VNO 2 X weekly
KIV 2 X weekly (new route)
GDN 4 X weekly
KTW 4 X weekly
KRK 2 X weekly
POZ 3 X weekly
WAW 2 X weekly
WRO 2 X weekly
OTP 4 X weekly
CLJ 2 X weekly
TSR 2 X weekly
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Old 17th Aug 2019, 09:05
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Originally Posted by TimmyW View Post
They aren't keeping the other routes, it is there in black and white if you bother to look.
Why the hell would they add LCY?
LCY makes no sense at all given rail's timings/frequency from Doncaster, Sheffield, Wakefield or several other LNER/East Midlands/Hull Trains calling points in the DSA catchment.
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 08:53
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Originally Posted by Airbanda View Post
LCY makes no sense at all given rail's timings/frequency from Doncaster, Sheffield, Wakefield or several other LNER/East Midlands/Hull Trains calling points in the DSA catchment.
Totally agree on this one, only London airport that makes sense is LHR. I used to travel to London frequently, trains from both Sheffield and Doncaster throughout the day and some decent prices if you werenít too set on a time.

Flights from DSA only make sense if you are connecting long haul - virgin for example....
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 08:57
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Originally Posted by egcntristar View Post
Below are Wizz routes from November when frequencies drop to their lowest. There are also extra flights over Christmas. In total for winter there are 35 weekly flights, whereas summer 2019 had 34 weekly flights.

BUD 2 X weekly
DEB 2 X weekly
RIX 2 X weekly
VNO 2 X weekly
KIV 2 X weekly (new route)
GDN 4 X weekly
KTW 4 X weekly
KRK 2 X weekly
POZ 3 X weekly
WAW 2 X weekly
WRO 2 X weekly
OTP 4 X weekly
CLJ 2 X weekly
TSR 2 X weekly
Exactly this and why I believe they will base soon. The times are also interesting. In previous seasons all flights have been in evening waves. In addition to evening waves, Wizz are now operating morning and midday flights with loads still high - WAW was over booked last week. No reason why they couldnít base three aircraft at Doncaster now, could also then add additional routes from DSA. Prague anyone???
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 09:56
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I would of flow with Wizz to Riga recently but the evening departure totally put me off, wonder how many more people think the same. Budapest with the morning is ideal.
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Old 20th Aug 2019, 08:18
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Originally Posted by N707ZS View Post
I would of flown with Wizz to Riga recently but the evening departure totally put me off, wonder how many more people think the same. Budapest with the morning is ideal.
The opposite is try for me from DSA. Living in Sheffield, there is no public transport for early morning flights (unlike to MAN with a 03:24 train). Therefore I only take afternoon/evening flights from DSA.
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