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That's why the Franchise operation would work. No real financial bearing on Flybe, just the name on the plane and the routes on their website with a financial kick-back. A setup like what Stobart are going for in Southend and potentially Carlisle. Maybe a E195 was a bit too much considering their situation. BHX was talked about a while ago (2 or so years ago) but it was never heard of again from Flybe. I personally think Ryanair should promote LDY widely across NI. If Ryanair were to pull GLA and LPL and move them to BFS then they will be in for a culture shock with competition from Easyjet. The Domestic UK services that Ryanair operate are much better suited to LDY as realistically they can still pull loads from Antrim for the lower fares and also the Northwest of island thus keeping the local customer in the Londonderry area from going to Easyjet. That's my view anyway. Keep in mind the Franchise agreement explanation was very vague but the essential idea of how it can be integrated into the NW through a base like Stobart have in the Isle of Mann could be used.
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Load factors may be good, but realistically for domestic services you need at least daily flights, preferably x2 daily or more. Ryanair would never be able to sustain daily B738 operations to GLA or LPL. Ryanair may be in LDY for the long run, but a lot of people would prefer to have the ability to return home on the same day, or to at least be able to choose to fly any day.
Perhaps Stobart's ATR 42s would be a good fit. That would allow for double daily flights, without flooding the market.
I find it highly unlikely that FR are attracting passengers for their LDY services from the likes of Antrim. Lower fares than from BFS or BHD won't attract them because a) LDY is a pain to get to, and b) most people want multiple flights a day. Only people who live close to the airport will forgo choice of when to travel.
That's why the Franchise operation would work. No real financial bearing on Flybe, just the name on the plane and the routes on their website with a financial kick-back. A setup like what Stobart are going for in Southend and potentially Carlisle. Maybe a E195 was a bit too much considering their situation.
I find it highly unlikely that FR are attracting passengers for their LDY services from the likes of Antrim. Lower fares than from BFS or BHD won't attract them because a) LDY is a pain to get to, and b) most people want multiple flights a day. Only people who live close to the airport will forgo choice of when to travel.
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New charter destinations
Well the Seville charter in March must be doing OK as "Super Break" have announced two further charter destinations from CODA.
https://nitravelnews.com/news/super-break-launches-new-packages-direct-from-northern-ireland/
Montenegro and Croatia in October
Iceland in January 2019. (Not Reykjavik but the north of Iceland).
https://nitravelnews.com/news/super-break-launches-new-packages-direct-from-northern-ireland/
Montenegro and Croatia in October
Iceland in January 2019. (Not Reykjavik but the north of Iceland).
Akuyeri is a fantastic spot and not far from Husavik, where guaranteed whale-watching can be had. Also, northern lights are much, much more likely in the north. Fantastic country.
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For those interested, final year passenger numbers for LDY routes are as follows;
Glasgow - 84,968 (+5.3%)
Stansted - 54,736 (-53.1%)
Liverpool - 52,326 (-35.7%)
Palma de Mallorca - 2,250 (NEW)
The total passenger number for 2017 was 194,280 (-33.2%), which is the airport's lowest annual figure since 2001. The airport also exhibited the largest annual percentage fall in passenger numbers across all UK airports in 2017.
2018 scheduled seats for sale by route are as follows;
GLA: 97,524
LPL: 66,528
STN: 66,248
PMI: 2,646
This gives a total of 232,946 seats for sale in 2018, meaning the airport should handle just over 200,000 passengers this year.
Clearly LDY management need to attract more routes and airlines as soon as possible, as these dire figures beg the question whether it is sustainable to run an airport that handles so few passengers.
Glasgow - 84,968 (+5.3%)
Stansted - 54,736 (-53.1%)
Liverpool - 52,326 (-35.7%)
Palma de Mallorca - 2,250 (NEW)
The total passenger number for 2017 was 194,280 (-33.2%), which is the airport's lowest annual figure since 2001. The airport also exhibited the largest annual percentage fall in passenger numbers across all UK airports in 2017.
2018 scheduled seats for sale by route are as follows;
GLA: 97,524
LPL: 66,528
STN: 66,248
PMI: 2,646
This gives a total of 232,946 seats for sale in 2018, meaning the airport should handle just over 200,000 passengers this year.
Clearly LDY management need to attract more routes and airlines as soon as possible, as these dire figures beg the question whether it is sustainable to run an airport that handles so few passengers.
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I think it's the airports management that should be question. Gauging from recent social media posts there is clearly a large demand for new services from CODA. I always wonder is it the presence of Ryanair that scare the smaller regional carries into coming in. Is it a case that CODA need to sever ties with ryanair to let a knew carrier pick and choose what routes they want to operate?
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A post on this thread on 29th January (which has since disappeared) mentioned a Facebook page about "Irelair Ltd" who are supposed interested in CODA.
https://www.facebook.com/IrelAir/
I have no further details other than what the Facebook page states but there is a company registration of the same name.
https://suite.endole.co.uk/insight/c...70-irelair-ltd
https://www.facebook.com/IrelAir/
I have no further details other than what the Facebook page states but there is a company registration of the same name.
https://suite.endole.co.uk/insight/c...70-irelair-ltd
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I think it's the airports management that should be question. Gauging from recent social media posts there is clearly a large demand for new services from CODA. I always wonder is it the presence of Ryanair that scare the smaller regional carries into coming in. Is it a case that CODA need to sever ties with ryanair to let a knew carrier pick and choose what routes they want to operate?
A post on this thread on 29th January (which has since disappeared) mentioned a Facebook page about "Irelair Ltd" who are supposed interested in CODA.
I have no further details other than what the Facebook page states but there is a company registration of the same name.
I have no further details other than what the Facebook page states but there is a company registration of the same name.
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I had been keeping an eye on their posts throughout the week. From what I've read they are planning on dry leasing their aircraft and are currently in correspondence with 2 leasing companies. However from what I've ascertained they are a husband and wife team with no experience in running an airline. I suspect they are possibly the same guys who are behind the 'save city of derry airport' page and now that interest has started to die out they are using this as a new way of generating publicity. Although I'm in no doubt IrelAir will not take off (pardon the pun) it only goes to show the level of interest in the airport and the desire from the public for new routes with one of their posts alone being shared 1.5 thousand times and nearly 3 thousand comments.
Has anyone heard any word on BMI picking up a route between their morning and afternoon London departures. I remember there was chat around June last year regarding this. It seems like an awful waste having an airplane sitting idle for so long throughout the day. I understand their fares would most likely be extortionate but with the loads they obtain on many of their other routes being so low surely they could fill 25 seats on a UK route and still make a profit?
Has anyone heard any word on BMI picking up a route between their morning and afternoon London departures. I remember there was chat around June last year regarding this. It seems like an awful waste having an airplane sitting idle for so long throughout the day. I understand their fares would most likely be extortionate but with the loads they obtain on many of their other routes being so low surely they could fill 25 seats on a UK route and still make a profit?
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GLA - 85.1%
LPL - 86.1%
STN - 91.0% (January-March), 73.3% (May-December)
PMI - 85.0%
To compare, Ryanair's average load factor in 2017 was 94%, and bmi Regional's was approx 55%. PMI is operated on behalf of TUI, whose average load factor in 2017 was 95%.
LPL - 86.1%
STN - 91.0% (January-March), 73.3% (May-December)
PMI - 85.0%
To compare, Ryanair's average load factor in 2017 was 94%, and bmi Regional's was approx 55%. PMI is operated on behalf of TUI, whose average load factor in 2017 was 95%.
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I'm not believing the IrelAir stuff either but they're not the folks from the Save City of Derry Airport Facebook page. They are based in LPL but they are Derry/Londonderry natives. I throw figures and stats through to the Save City of Derry Airport campaign and we were talking about the Irelair stuff but they are staying muted on it because as much as we want it... we won't get it. BMI are wasting the aircraft, LDY-BHX would be ideal as they have a base at BHX and that would aid aircraft swaps etc... I can't remember the load factors on the LDY-BHX route when Ryanair operated it but from memory it ran 4 times a week and got 85ish%+. Keep in mind that was 4 years ago now so I could be wrong.
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BHX - LDY
Fly757X
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2014 42230 passengers, flights 335 - 126 pax average 67%
2013 52270 passengers, flights 424 - 123 pax average 65%
2012 55096 passengers, flights 418 - 132 pax - average 70%
I would say high summer 80% and winter 50-60% load factors.
Rumour has it Flybe, VLM, Stobart and BMI Regional have all looked at this in the past after Ryanair ceased and originally 3 have walked away for one reason or another.
This is a route that has potential but only with the right amount of support and hence the reluctance I believe although not totally ruled out as far as I am aware and without getting 2+2 to = 5, I suggest BMIR are more likely than Stobart and I assume Flybe would want a wad a cash from the LDY end
Source: CAA
2014 42230 passengers, flights 335 - 126 pax average 67%
2013 52270 passengers, flights 424 - 123 pax average 65%
2012 55096 passengers, flights 418 - 132 pax - average 70%
I would say high summer 80% and winter 50-60% load factors.
Rumour has it Flybe, VLM, Stobart and BMI Regional have all looked at this in the past after Ryanair ceased and originally 3 have walked away for one reason or another.
This is a route that has potential but only with the right amount of support and hence the reluctance I believe although not totally ruled out as far as I am aware and without getting 2+2 to = 5, I suggest BMIR are more likely than Stobart and I assume Flybe would want a wad a cash from the LDY end
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The trouble with CODA is that it requires outside-the-box strategy to survive. Instead it is run like a Council project. Councils and airports are uneasy bedfellows. I'd bet my shirt that all the appropriate players have looked at routes from LDY. I'd say the real killer is yield rather than just numbers. The NI market is particularly fickle on that front.
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FAO was probably due to the new base in BFS and Ryanair wanting to centralise their operation around it. As the FAO-BFS-FAO sectors are operated by FAO based crew it would leave little room to fit in a LDY sector.
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I'd agree on the Stansted flights that the plain is small but for me its handy and I much rather support my local airport than drive to Belfast. I just booked Derry to Glasgow for next week as I'm heading to Edinburgh for £26 return. An hour and a half journey on the other side but I'd be doing at least that trying to get to Belfast mid day with our God awful road network.