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Are the only people who will be using these flights on stag dos? Is that all Northern Ireland exports?
No. Replace stag/hen parties with 'Groups of people who willingly pay Ryanair some £££ for a flight that leaves Derry early on a Friday afternoon for a weekend in Glasgow.'
No. Replace stag/hen parties with 'Groups of people who willingly pay Ryanair some £££ for a flight that leaves Derry early on a Friday afternoon for a weekend in Glasgow.'
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The new GLA times are very well suited for football, and will become even more so in April. Loganair have clearly put so thought it to this as it is also a SAAB 2000 operating the Sunday evening rotation.
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And then have to cut the weekend short checking in at 09.30am on a Sunday When I think about the people I know who work Mon-Fri non of them can leave early or randomly take a Friday off to catch a flight at 12.30pm.
Are the only people who will be using these flights on stag dos? Is that all Northern Ireland exports?
No. Replace stag/hen parties with 'Groups of people who willingly pay Ryanair some £££ for a flight that leaves Derry early on a Friday afternoon for a weekend in Glasgow.'
No. Replace stag/hen parties with 'Groups of people who willingly pay Ryanair some £££ for a flight that leaves Derry early on a Friday afternoon for a weekend in Glasgow.'
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Anyone’s weekend will be planned well in advance. The disposable income to decide on a Monday to have a bimble to Glasgow or Edinburgh at the weekend just isn’t there for LDY’s catchment. Ergo, people WILL book leave for weekends away etc. And if the 11.30 return flight doesn’t suit (all change come April as 757 says above) then they can fly with EZY to BFS and hope they’re as lucky as you are with on-time flights to that airport, with that airline.
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Airport remains at significant risk due to ongoing doubts over London route
The Derry News (and Derry Journal and Radio Foyle) has been reporting that the council are considering the future of the airport again, this time over the future of the PSO route to London.
Strangely the council are blaming Storming over their failure to pay the promised £7 million development package, £4.5 million of which was for the ill fated aircraft repair centre (although a plan for Belfast City Airport proceeds) and £2.5 million which was for route development.
The route development money was for new routes not for extending the London PSO which was a Treasury project not a Stormont project (that's why it ever happened in the past place) so I don't understand how the council are linking the two.
If Stormont had made the money available as planned it would have been spent by now anyway and we'd hopefully have a couple of extra routes. So yes, the Stormont failure has had a negative impact but not on the London route.
What was Council's original plan for the route after the initial PSO had completed?
My question is, how much has the London PSO actually cost? I know £2.5 million was set aside but this is only called upon if the route is not viable. The route seems well supported so what has been the cost and how much if any is needed going forward. Presumably something since the Council are complaining about it.
And would BMI Regional not continue the route in the absence of a PSO since it is now established?
BHD and BFS don't require PSOs, Ryanair didn't require one for 18 years at LDY.
And as for talk of closing the airport, Dublin, Belfast, Cork, Limerick, Kerry, Knock and Donegal have airports so why shouldn't Derry?
If the airport doesn't work it is because the economy is not working. To fix the airport you need to fix the economy. That is what the City Deal is about. If you are closing the airport then you are admitting that the City Deal hasn't worked.
"It's the economy stupid" and closing the airport isn't going to improve anything.
The Derry News (and Derry Journal and Radio Foyle) has been reporting that the council are considering the future of the airport again, this time over the future of the PSO route to London.
Strangely the council are blaming Storming over their failure to pay the promised £7 million development package, £4.5 million of which was for the ill fated aircraft repair centre (although a plan for Belfast City Airport proceeds) and £2.5 million which was for route development.
The route development money was for new routes not for extending the London PSO which was a Treasury project not a Stormont project (that's why it ever happened in the past place) so I don't understand how the council are linking the two.
If Stormont had made the money available as planned it would have been spent by now anyway and we'd hopefully have a couple of extra routes. So yes, the Stormont failure has had a negative impact but not on the London route.
What was Council's original plan for the route after the initial PSO had completed?
My question is, how much has the London PSO actually cost? I know £2.5 million was set aside but this is only called upon if the route is not viable. The route seems well supported so what has been the cost and how much if any is needed going forward. Presumably something since the Council are complaining about it.
And would BMI Regional not continue the route in the absence of a PSO since it is now established?
BHD and BFS don't require PSOs, Ryanair didn't require one for 18 years at LDY.
And as for talk of closing the airport, Dublin, Belfast, Cork, Limerick, Kerry, Knock and Donegal have airports so why shouldn't Derry?
If the airport doesn't work it is because the economy is not working. To fix the airport you need to fix the economy. That is what the City Deal is about. If you are closing the airport then you are admitting that the City Deal hasn't worked.
"It's the economy stupid" and closing the airport isn't going to improve anything.
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Airport remains at significant risk due to ongoing doubts over London route
What was Council's original plan for the route after the initial PSO had completed?
My question is, how much has the London PSO actually cost? I know £2.5 million was set aside but this is only called upon if the route is not viable. The route seems well supported so what has been the cost and how much if any is needed going forward. Presumably something since the Council are complaining about it.
And would BMI Regional not continue the route in the absence of a PSO since it is now established?
BHD and BFS don't require PSOs, Ryanair didn't require one for 18 years at LDY.
"It's the economy stupid" and closing the airport isn't going to improve anything.
What was Council's original plan for the route after the initial PSO had completed?
My question is, how much has the London PSO actually cost? I know £2.5 million was set aside but this is only called upon if the route is not viable. The route seems well supported so what has been the cost and how much if any is needed going forward. Presumably something since the Council are complaining about it.
And would BMI Regional not continue the route in the absence of a PSO since it is now established?
BHD and BFS don't require PSOs, Ryanair didn't require one for 18 years at LDY.
"It's the economy stupid" and closing the airport isn't going to improve anything.
Let’s look at the facts:
- the load factor on the LDY-STN is the highest across the BM route network (I stand to be corrected on that, but would be astonished)
- fares are often high, sometimes very high, even at decent lead-times.
- BMI are happy to leave the aircraft on the tarmac between ~10am and 5.30pm every day, and indeed from 10.50am Saturday until 13.40 Sunday.
One would imagine if they weren’t onto a nice little earner that they would make use of the EMB during the long periods of downtime rather than have it sitting at LDY.
- the load factor on the LDY-STN is the highest across the BM route network (I stand to be corrected on that, but would be astonished)
- fares are often high, sometimes very high, even at decent lead-times.
- BMI are happy to leave the aircraft on the tarmac between ~10am and 5.30pm every day, and indeed from 10.50am Saturday until 13.40 Sunday.
One would imagine if they weren’t onto a nice little earner that they would make use of the EMB during the long periods of downtime rather than have it sitting at LDY.
bmi aren't leaving the a/c on the ground because they're making so much money they don't need to make any more - it's because there aren't any profitable alternatives and it's the cheapest thing to do
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Yes, however with the times that it is on the ground it would be impossible to achieve the times that Loganair will be operating. I could see it operating on select days such as a Tuesday which after the 1st of April will be the only day without a flight to GLA from LDY with Friday and Sunday having two.
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Increase supply when demand stays the same = prices come down to meet new equilibrium = yields are lower
It's true the aircraft could be used for other routes, but why take the risk? Where do you fly the aircraft and still guarantee you will make more money than you lose by leaving it parked?
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If it's anything like other PSOs, the DFT are very restrictive about where a PSO-funded aircraft can be used in addition to its core task. They seem to have a view that it may be state aid and so don't normally permit it.
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This is an idea completely stolen from another thread (BOU) however it puts everything into perspective. (Thank you adfly)
BMI Regional (ERJ145)
STN - 13 Weekly.
Loganair (SB20/SF34)
GLA - 5 Weekly.
Ryanair (B738)
EDI - 5 Weekly
LPL - 4 Weekly
Superbreak/Enter Air (B738)
AEY - Out on the 25th of January, returning the 28th,
This gives an average of 27 flights per week, An extra five on last year. This is an average of just under 4 per day.
BMI Regional (ERJ145)
STN - 13 Weekly.
Loganair (SB20/SF34)
GLA - 5 Weekly.
Ryanair (B738)
EDI - 5 Weekly
LPL - 4 Weekly
Superbreak/Enter Air (B738)
AEY - Out on the 25th of January, returning the 28th,
This gives an average of 27 flights per week, An extra five on last year. This is an average of just under 4 per day.
