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https://www.derrynow.com/news/first-...-flybmi/223179
There is also a few more general ones pointing to future expansion from LDY or at least the CCO is "keen". I could only see the CCO saying something along those things if the PSO itself is profitable. There was also a few from when it launched saying it was its fasted selling route. Whilst yes there is no certainty on profits but if the aircraft leaving LDY have a load factor 20% higher than their average I would say they must be spinning a pretty good profit.
There is also a few more general ones pointing to future expansion from LDY or at least the CCO is "keen". I could only see the CCO saying something along those things if the PSO itself is profitable. There was also a few from when it launched saying it was its fasted selling route. Whilst yes there is no certainty on profits but if the aircraft leaving LDY have a load factor 20% higher than their average I would say they must be spinning a pretty good profit.
I suspect the virginblue is spot on...without the PSO it wouldn't be there....but that's one of the reasons for a PSO in the first place, isn't it?
Another reason is that the airport is so convinced that there is a strong business case for a route that they'll offer it as a PSO in the belief that the route results will be so good that the airline never has to make a call on the PSO cash (Flybe NQYLGW as an example)
I don't believe that's the case here as in my experience there is always a price ceiling on the NI market that prevents a lot of routes from being profitable.
It’s no allusion. The CEO was on the Mark Paterson show a while back (BBC radio Foyle - I’m sure you’re an avid listener). Would you like me to find the exact point, during the exact program, on the exact day of the exact week he said it? Better still. Take my word for it. I have no agenda here which would lead me to lie. In fact I think BMI having the PSO is a shambles, and would prefer an airline who could a) avoid the issues they had with multiple cancellations earlier in the year, and b) not charge sometimes well north of £200 rtn to one of the worst airports in Europe (STN).
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It’s no allusion. The CEO was on the Mark Paterson show a while back (BBC radio Foyle - I’m sure you’re an avid listener). Would you like me to find the exact point, during the exact program, on the exact day of the exact week he said it? Better still. Take my word for it. I have no agenda here which would lead me to lie. In fact I think BMI having the PSO is a shambles, and would prefer an airline who could a) avoid the issues they had with multiple cancellations earlier in the year, and b) not charge sometimes well north of £200 rtn to one of the worst airports in Europe (STN).
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Yes. I understand the purpose of a PSO. However, BMI are essentially a business airline (the route was mostly used for leisure travel when 15000/month frequented it - I’m sure you know all about the history of the route). They are an expensive business airline. Thankfully when using them before (primarily BRS to ABZ) it’s been business trips and not coming from my pocket.
As for a “remote island airport” I can be in London more quickly than someone who lives in some parts of England. Although, it’s difficult to decipher your sentence, so you might actually agree with that point.
As for a “remote island airport” I can be in London more quickly than someone who lives in some parts of England. Although, it’s difficult to decipher your sentence, so you might actually agree with that point.
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Right fair enough, when the route was announced it would've been believed to have been nonviable but this is almost two years later now. Loads are pretty impressive and the airline is saying its a success. Maybe they haven't said it is a financial success but it doesn't mean it isn't. I'm baffled at how this not viable. When compared to other routes of a similar nature that they (BMR) operate this route should be right up there with their most financially successful at this time (factoring loads for last year anyway). I don't understand where the market between LDY-STN is leaking money and thus making it financially unacceptable to run without support in place. Obviously APD is there but I wouldn't imagine that constrains the route too much. The Market as proven to be relatively strong with fares (at least till recently) being up with their other offerings and load factors exceeding their average by a country mile. I'm not by no means saying that there wasn't a need for the PSO contract in the first place but now after a year of load factors that are above their average. Would they not be inclined to continue the routes under their own funds considering its outselling a range of their current routes? (In the event the PSO funding is cancelled.)
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BMI might have decent enough loads but just a cursory glance at tomorrow’s departures shows fares for just £60 the night before! And plenty other dates in the next couple of weeks show that fares are well below the normal BMI going rate on other routes.
Compare that to a route like ABZ-BRS (about 50-60% average monthly load factor) and you’re looking at over £300 o/w on the same date.
Compare that to a route like ABZ-BRS (about 50-60% average monthly load factor) and you’re looking at over £300 o/w on the same date.
CaptainDoony. Remarkable. I looked last night and a return leaving today, returning Sunday was £250 rtn on the Flybmi website. Further, I’ve used BRS-ABZ when the plane has had ten pax, at most.
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A PSO on a route like LDY-STN should not be in place to subsidize cheap tickets for leisure flights or VFR-travel, to be honest, as alternatives are available for that type of travel 60 miles away from BFS. The route should be geared towards business and business-related travel that benefits the local economy, allowing day returns etc. Taxpayer's money should not be spent on making travel more comfortable for bargain-hunters.
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CAA stats for August 2018:
LDY movements:
589 (2018)
510 (2017)
Increase of 15.49%
Passenger numbers:
17,665 (2018) = 9% Increase
16,155 (2017)
Passengers per route:
- GLASGOW = 7673 = -2%
- LIVERPOOL = 4706 = +46%
- LONDON (STN) = 4713 = +8%
- PALMA DE MALLORCA (PMI) = 609 = -12%
The extra LPL rotations are clearly being used.
LDY movements:
589 (2018)
510 (2017)
Increase of 15.49%
Passenger numbers:
17,665 (2018) = 9% Increase
16,155 (2017)
Passengers per route:
- GLASGOW = 7673 = -2%
- LIVERPOOL = 4706 = +46%
- LONDON (STN) = 4713 = +8%
- PALMA DE MALLORCA (PMI) = 609 = -12%
The extra LPL rotations are clearly being used.
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CAA stats for August 2018:
LDY movements:
589 (2018)
510 (2017)
Increase of 15.49%
Passenger numbers:
17,665 (2018) = 9% Increase
16,155 (2017)
Passengers per route:
- GLASGOW = 7673 = -2%
- LIVERPOOL = 4706 = +46%
- LONDON (STN) = 4713 = +8%
- PALMA DE MALLORCA (PMI) = 609 = -12%
The extra LPL rotations are clearly being used.
LDY movements:
589 (2018)
510 (2017)
Increase of 15.49%
Passenger numbers:
17,665 (2018) = 9% Increase
16,155 (2017)
Passengers per route:
- GLASGOW = 7673 = -2%
- LIVERPOOL = 4706 = +46%
- LONDON (STN) = 4713 = +8%
- PALMA DE MALLORCA (PMI) = 609 = -12%
The extra LPL rotations are clearly being used.
Glasgow: 92.27%
Liverpool: 95.77%
London: 82.92%
Palma De Mallorca: 82.3% (Assuming no one went on the outbound to PMI on the 20th however it includes the very few that would've went on the 13th.)
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Mallorca is also really impressive considering the outbound on the 13th is empty. When the 13th isn't taken into consideration the LF ends up over 100% so clearly doing well too.
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Kills me to say it but when it kicks in a weekend in Glasgow is a non starter with Loganair from LDY as the Friday flight goes at 8.15pm at night. A day is lost already.
Bizarrely, the return is a great time of 18.55pm on a Sunday.
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Can't see Loganair GLA doing as well as the Ryanair product. The flight times are a joke. For PR City of Derry Airport regularly posts pics from the airport bar on their Facebook feed of 'Johns Stag Party about to leave on a Friday for a great weekend in Glasgow, best of luck John hope you and the lads have a great time' or 'Sharon's hen Party blah blah for' the same thing.
Kills me to say it but when it kicks in a weekend in Glasgow is a non starter with Loganair from LDY as the Friday flight goes at 8.15pm at night. A day is lost already.
Bizarrely, the return is a great time of 18.55pm on a Sunday.
Kills me to say it but when it kicks in a weekend in Glasgow is a non starter with Loganair from LDY as the Friday flight goes at 8.15pm at night. A day is lost already.
Bizarrely, the return is a great time of 18.55pm on a Sunday.
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Can't see Loganair GLA doing as well as the Ryanair product. The flight times are a joke. For PR City of Derry Airport regularly posts pics from the airport bar on their Facebook feed of 'Johns Stag Party about to leave on a Friday for a great weekend in Glasgow, best of luck John hope you and the lads have a great time' or 'Sharon's hen Party blah blah for' the same thing.
Kills me to say it but when it kicks in a weekend in Glasgow is a non starter with Loganair from LDY as the Friday flight goes at 8.15pm at night. A day is lost already.
Bizarrely, the return is a great time of 18.55pm on a Sunday.
Kills me to say it but when it kicks in a weekend in Glasgow is a non starter with Loganair from LDY as the Friday flight goes at 8.15pm at night. A day is lost already.
Bizarrely, the return is a great time of 18.55pm on a Sunday.
Well I can just see a stag party in Glasgow wanting to check in for an 11.30am Sunday flight with hangover in EDI. For a lot of people the Friday evening flight is better no need to take a day off work. In the end Ryanair will be mass market and Loganair will take the people who can't or won't travel to EDI. Interesting looking at how flybe have developed NOC up against FR BHX vs EMA as a comparison.
Are the only people who will be using these flights on stag dos? Is that all Northern Ireland exports?
Your sentence regarding NOC has completely lost me. You might want to look at that again. Cheers!
Your sentence regarding NOC has completely lost me. You might want to look at that again. Cheers!
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I wouldn't for one minute assume the only people using it will be on stag do's, I was replying to a post regarding the same. With regards to NOC BE started up from BHX where FR were already established on EMA-NOC, initially they made little impact and now they are more or less double what they were pax wise, certainly during summer-my point being its possible for a small prop operator to compete with FR if the market is right, and I believe GLA is where the greater percentage of people want to fly to LDY from, not EDI. In the same way BHX and EMA are close, Birmingham being a bigger market for NOC than the East Midlands, people will obviously go for the cheaper fares of FR and make the journey but its not necessarily a given.